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Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« on: February 27, 2012, 12:07:25 AM »
 



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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2012, 06:33:49 PM »
 go watch 2001 Louisville open. Pete throwing it down 10 at 20 mph and beat Haugen Jr. 289-279 to win the title.

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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2012, 06:57:59 PM »

Urethane... Couch was erratic with his release then and Vespi couldn't make a spare and no one could predict Smith would be a great bowler back then. If that's all it is with power then Kelly Coffman would have 20 titles with only urethane. But if we are playing "what if's", I know a good deal of history on the PBA and would guarantee if Ron Palombi didn't tear his wrist up would have 20 titles and if Ron Williams Jr decided to stay on tour could have also but we are assuming we would have not only urethane bowling balls but the same surfaces either wood or high friction synthetic surfaces. Good luck taking a urethane ball and average past 200 with today's houses of Brunswick and AMF. Can it be done now? Yes. But if it was such a huge advantage then everyone would near demand for urethane from the ball companies. While they have came back with urethane balls here or there the ones over the last 10 some years I've seen with these new urethane have failed to do anything that would demand everyone to want them but there have been a few people with new and even old school with even the new lower friction lane surfaces that have great game.
Walking E wrote on 2/28/2012 7:14 PM: If reactive resin had never been developed, Couch would have 30 titles, Robert Smith would probably have 25 (if his back allowed him), and Bob Vespi would probably have 20 of his own. :-)


 
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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2012, 08:31:06 PM »
Earl!  Even Walter Ray says so.

 

The tales of no other lefties being in the top 24 and Earl leading tournies by the 100s lead to the conclusion that he had an out of this world total package.

 

I love Pete's throwing too!  But not a very free arm swing is it?

 

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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2012, 04:10:36 PM »
I have read allot about Pete Weber lately. I have been watching him for years and one thing you can not take away from him. He can bowl. Now his personality , whether you like it or not. He is not phony. Personally I dont take him serious. In every sport you have your bad boys. This is no surprise. Lighten up people. Lately the telecast have been boring. I like the pete webers and sean rash and the other bad boys. They bring LIFE to the telecast.




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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2012, 06:44:05 PM »
What he said.  Separate the persona from the actual talent, people, and recognize.  
 
MelvinBrunsTrack wrote on 3/3/2012 3:10 PM:
I have read allot about Pete Weber lately. I have been watching him for years and one thing you can not take away from him. He can bowl. Now his personality , whether you like it or not. He is not phony. Personally I dont take him serious. In every sport you have your bad boys. This is no surprise. Lighten up people. Lately the telecast have been boring. I like the pete webers and sean rash and the other bad boys. They bring LIFE to the telecast.






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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2012, 08:51:28 AM »

 The Pete of the resin era may have the free-est armswing and cleanest release in the history of bowling. Just watch that shot to win the Open!!!!!!



LuckyLefty wrote on 2/28/2012 9:31 PM:
Earl!  Even Walter Ray says so.


 


The tales of no other lefties being in the top 24 and Earl leading tournies by the 100s lead to the conclusion that he had an out of this world total package.


 


I love Pete's throwing too!  But not a very free arm swing is it?


 


REgards,


 


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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2012, 05:15:46 PM »
Riggs,

 

I defer to you.   But is it really a Free gravity based armswing?  I know it is a great open hand release!

 

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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2012, 05:30:57 PM »

 
riggs wrote on 3/4/2012 7:51 AM:

 The Pete of the resin era may have the free-est armswing and cleanest release in the history of bowling. Just watch that shot to win the Open!!!!!!



LuckyLefty wrote on 2/28/2012 9:31 PM:
Earl!  Even Walter Ray says so.


 


The tales of no other lefties being in the top 24 and Earl leading tournies by the 100s lead to the conclusion that he had an out of this world total package.


 


I love Pete's throwing too!  But not a very free arm swing is it?


 


REgards,


 


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That shot was the purest shot possible for the US Open. And I agree with the weber of resin the purest swing ever!



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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2012, 07:34:32 PM »
NO

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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2012, 01:04:04 AM »
Absolutely not.  The guys who have won the most tournaments are.  Easy measurement.



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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2012, 07:33:47 AM »

 As free as you can get and still have that power.   It's not even close -- Pete has the free-est, cleanest game in history and he doesn't grab it at the biggest moments.  I've talked to some of the best coaches and bowlers and that opinion is almost unanimous. 

 

What is amazing is when the game was different he was clean but with the most hit of anyone in that era.

 

Best physical game ever. Period.

 



LuckyLefty wrote on 3/6/2012 4:15 PM:
Riggs,


 


I defer to you.   But is it really a Free gravity based armswing?  I know it is a great open hand release!


 


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Luckylefty


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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2012, 08:45:39 AM »
Hey Riggs,

 

In all reality to learn the term "free" I was always told that "free" implied no pause at the top as the ball hovers in one position as Pete seems to do for a second.

 

I was fortunate in my first year relearning to bowl to be allowed into Dave Davis' practice group occasionally.

Now that was "Free", and fast down the lane with no effort whenever he wanted it to be.  This in the time frame when he was winning a couple of Senior Majors.  I have also always thought Parker Bohn was pretty "Free" in the armswing.

 

Note I am not saying better, just what I observed was "Free"....fast ball speed with no effort or pause at the top of the backswing.  I love Pete's throwing particularly when he has his legs under him at the foul line (which he has the times I've seen him this year).

 

I also note the additional side roll Pete has as being very adept at playing inside...pretty nice for the US open shot that I see on TV.

 

REgards,

 

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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2012, 08:15:18 AM »
Free in the modern game = no grab in the downswing through release.


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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2012, 09:03:17 AM »

 If we are talking about the free'est arm swing then I would think that would have to go to Fagan right now.  If we are talking about cleanest release, then PDW.  IMO.......Fagan could be the modern day PDW.  He has the arm swing and even more power/rev rate than what PDW had in his prime and he has learned the versatility of a Norm Duke.  He won the Masters playing straight up 6-7-8 and he almost won the US Open hooking 25 out to 12. 

 

In regards to Pete being the best ever, Walter Ray has more titles.  But Pete has more Majors (9 to 8).  Pete has a higher winning percentage of majors in regards to overall win (25% to 17%).  Pete ranks second to Walter in a number of catagories but has the most Majors.  You can almost draw the same argument in regards to them as you can Walter vs Earl.  It is almost like saying who is better, Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus?  Half will say one, the other half will say the other.



riggs wrote on 3/8/2012 7:15 AM:
Free in the modern game = no grab in the downswing through release.


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Re: Is Pete the greatest of all time?
« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2012, 10:13:27 AM »
Okay...If that is the new definition of "Free" =  no grab in the downswing!  I agree!  He is great at that.

 

I sitll like the distinction between "Free" = no effort speed from the downswing, and "No grab in the downswing" and view them as two different things.

 

The soft speed Pete generated at the US Open seemed to just be perfect with his side roll for the conditions.  Being very accurate and very well balanced at the foul line, tough to beat!

 

I love his game, and enjoyed this tournament and many others I have watched him in....including when he stuck a few weeks ago while on a roll, otherwise he might have won that one too!

 

His talent, competiveness, and accomplishment are undeniable.  One can only imagine... 

 

REgards,

 

Luckylefty

 

 

 

 


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