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USBC and PBA
« on: March 14, 2008, 03:55:59 AM »
If the USBC joined forces with the PBA and set up a 3 dollar increase on the USBC membership with all the money going right to the prize fund for the PBA would you agree with it?

I for one would pay the xtra 3 dollars just too help bring the PBA to where it should be.

How many USBC members are there?  How much money would be raised with my idea?

 

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Re: USBC and PBA
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2008, 04:57:41 AM »
I'm sure that the people who say the PBA contributes nothing to the sport are also the ones who "stand left throw right" on a THS, and then complain about the pros on Sunday, while saying "I can outscore them any time"!
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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2008, 07:31:09 AM »
The bigger prize fund wouldn't change the fundamental problems with the PBA.  Bowling as a sport has decline so much that the number of people who watch the PBA aren't enough to attract big dollar sponsors.  This money would just be flushing money down the toilet.  Yeah, the pro's might have a few more bucks in their pocket, but the problems and lack of viewership would still exist.  

Now take those 3 bucks, and give 100% of it back to local associations for the strict purpose of developing, and building strong youth leagues to rebuild a weak base, would be the way to go.  To save bowling the sport, we must get kids and teens to think bowling leagues are cool, and worth the time investment over playstation, and all the other entertainment options available to them.  Generate a greater interest amoung kids, would lead to greater viewship of the PBA, and sponsors willing to pony up the dough.  The ABC, USBC, and PBA have all dropped the ball and failed to focus on the youth, with has resulted in several generations with little competative interest in bowling.

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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2008, 09:53:35 AM »
jd1319 Must agree with you! Read in the paper today where NC is attempting to create laws that will tighten control on GANGS! As you suggest they would be better off creating activities for these young gang members keeping them busy and out of trouble!
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Re: USBC and PBA
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2008, 11:58:55 AM »
Why doesn't USBC take $1 of our $10 every year, tighten their own belts and give it to the PBA?

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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2008, 12:02:35 PM »
increased prize funds would do wonders for the pba, with so many "professional amatuers" refusing to go on tour because there is no money in it an increased prize fund would bring them out, it would also inspire dreams in younger bowlers as they could actually see a way to make a living doing what they love to do.  The pga with its million dollar purses have bred lower level tours with people with dreams to make it on the big stage, it breeds interest, and interest is what the survival of anything is all about.  Maybe with increased prize funds the next "tiger woods" would come out of the woodwork to infuse new life into this sport.  3 bucks would get quite a bang on the tour
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Re: USBC and PBA
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2008, 12:11:36 PM »
how about nixing the exempt status and opening the tournament back up to all members..that would fix your prize fun because more bowlers would compete..in theory anyway..even if it were just the local pros  they would still enter just based on the amount of entries to TQR's.. If people didn't have to go through an "extra" qualifying day than the exempt guys, the field would be larger. Sure you would probably lose a couple of the lower ranked exempt bowlers, but you would make those up in the local guys bowling.

$3 goes far if every bowler did it, but people complain about a $2 increase in dues just to gain a membership, why would they want to spend $3 to fund an organization that they watch on TV. Just because I play basketball does not mean I should give a dollar to the NBA just to keep it around. Same philosophy goes to the PBA..  I didn't get the PBA into it's current predicament, so why should I be responsible for helping them dig themselves out of it.
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Re: USBC and PBA
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2008, 12:24:00 PM »
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Why doesn't USBC take $1 of our $10 every year, tighten their own belts and give it to the PBA?


I agree with this as well

dont let the USBC fool you, the finacial report is on their site, 28+ million in reservss, things arent all that bad
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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2008, 01:07:03 PM »
Just to add to my original comment....

I think the PBA needs to re-evaluate their finances and operating expenses to find areas in which their spending is not generating lucrative returns.  Then I would develop ways to get corporations from all industries to invest in the PBA, and sponsor tournaments.  PBA should find ways to sell airtime to corporations so they can build more revenue. I would redo the licensing fees to make it affordable for all bowling companies to participate in the PBA, and have their equipment approved for use throughout the entire tournament.  I would also allow PBA players to independently search for sponsors, allow players to wear patches displaying their personal sponsors.

If after doing all this, the PBA still needs more funds to increase PBA prize funds, then they should negotiate a deal with USBC to have the USBC invest in the PBA.  


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« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2008, 01:11:43 PM »
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Thats the problem most bowlers are cheap, $3.00  is chump change to the amt you pay the proprietors that run the lanes to bowl on them each week at league.  As far as I'm concerned helping out something you love to watch and do for it to survive sounds like a pretty good idea to me.  Making the titles worth more money would help the sport tremendously, you will have more people sign up to try their luck at winning/cashing.  Look how many people forked over $10,000 to try and play with the pros and win the WSOP, and the prize funds have become ridiculous.  Making the prize funds better would gain interest in kids trying to become future stars of the sport.  Their not going to strive to become the greatest bowler on the planet if they don't see the money backing up the hard work.  Bottom line, money drives kids these days, their not dumb and naive, they will have interest in things that look profitable.  If you want the youth leagues to flourish, we need to help out the prize fund and to all that say you would not pay it... how many of you smoke? drink? one less beer a year/one half a pack less/anything worth $3.00 less????  I don't get your ideas for not wanting to help.  Just think of it as helping your health by not smoking that extra half pack or 1 beer!!


Can we PLEASE back away from this poker v. bowling comparison?!?! When has sponsor money (or any other outside money) been thrown into the prize funds in poker?? Never! It's an apples to oranges comparison.. People forked over $10,000 to play in the main event at the WSOP because they saw an amateur win and feel like they can do it too. Also, many people who are at the main event aren't forking over the $10k because they've won satellite tournaments (either online or at casinos) to pay their way in.

Helping out the PBA prize funds will make youth leagues flourish.. I can't for even one second see how that statement can be true.
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Re: USBC and PBA
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2008, 01:44:11 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2008, 02:05:08 PM »
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People forked over $10,000 to try and win a huge prize. Most people never even heard of it before ESPN started televising it, then it became huge. Regardless money brought swarms of people.  There are a lot of amateurs that bowl a lot  that cant/wont quit their day job to take a pay cut to go out on tour. There are plenty of players that win tons of side money bowling megabucks and other big scratch tourneys, but if they tried to go on tour it wouldnt even be close to worth it.  More prize money would help a lot of dreams come true to go out on tour and bowl with the best.  Let's be honest, prize funds overseas are better and we claim that these guys are the best in the world... don't they deserve the best back?  We could make a simple contribution and save bowling then the Budweiser's and Miller Lite's would hop on board and the USBC can eliminate our extra fees.

How can the statement of a bigger prize fund would help youth leagues flourish not be true?  If you dont think every kid in America/World would like to be like Tiger Woods or any other superstar in the bigger sports that make a lot of money your nuts... Not many kids these days strive to throw it like the best PBA stars, because they don't gravitate to ohhhh he throws it well.  They gravitate towards money and contracts and big prize purses... once again kids are not stupid, internet is everywhere and they know what the profitable sports are and aren't.  If the prize funds were bigger, more kids would want to be like Tommy Jones/WRW/Duke, and would bowl in more leagues and parents would sign their kids up for more leagues because all that time and effort could payoff if they use their talents...


I'm going to go slow this time to make sure that we understand each other here.. People forked over $10k to play in the WSOP. Yes, that's correct. Now, when said people drop their $10k into the proverbial bucket they're playing for prize funds made ENTIRELY of their entry fees!!! There's no sponsor money or anything else being thrown that pot. At this precise point, the bowling v. poker argument is dead. Plain and simple.

Would higher prize funds draw more people? Yes, most likely. Are people not becoming bowlers solely because there's no money in it?? Highly unlikely.. Kids bowl because they like to bowl, think it's cool, etc.. do they not? As for kids not being able to use their talents, perhaps I can introduce you to the growing number of collegiate programs that are offering scholarships..

I don't see for a second what bigger prize funds would do for youth leagues. It's not like the youths are bowling for any of that money. They're bowling for scholarships, for competition, for friendships, etc.
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Re: USBC and PBA
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2008, 04:12:49 PM »
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I'm really surprised that some of you wouldn't want to help keep the PBA going in the right direction. It's 3 lousy dollars!  

take it out on the people , wow here in New Jersey we would call you
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let the pba tighten their belts , and make cuts from within.
instead of pumping money into a broken machine.
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Here in Chicago, we'd call you cheap!  PBA has tightened their belts, prize fund is not even close to what it was a couple of years ago.  Grow up and contribute 3 bucks to a good cause, its not like its 20, people donate money all the time to more worthless things...


They didn't tighten their belts they tightened the belts of the players.  Cutting the prize fund should always be the LAST option.

Bottom line is I am not cheap but I am not going to pay $3 more dollars to the USBC.  They keep cutting what I get every year but increasing my fees.  Now we are going to go to one award in a liftime?  What does my sanction money get me?  The chance to spend more money and bowl in the 3 or 4 USBC Certified tourneys a year?  Not worth the money alreeady in my opinion.  Hell the only real benefit to having your league sanctioned is the USBC insures your money if your league officers steal it.  Oh and the guy that wants the league secretary to donate their fees has never been league secretary.  That is a pain in the butt job that doesn't pay enough.

Face it fellas, barring a miracle like a Billionare that loves bowling donating money to the PBA, the PBA will die out in less than 5 years.  Then the exempt guys will start bowling regionals.

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Re: USBC and PBA
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2008, 05:29:08 PM »
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They keep cutting what I get every year but increasing my fees.  Now we are going to go to one award in a liftime?


I know its not much but...
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Then the exempt guys will start bowling regionals.



Regionals are just extensions of the PBA, are they not? Correct me if I'm wrong. If PBA on the national level crashes then the regions would also.
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Re: USBC and PBA
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2008, 05:35:08 PM »
Absoluely not , asking the league bowlers to pay the PBA salaries is just flat out wrong and is nothing but stealing legally ,. I think that a whole lot of bowlers would just resign from the USBC and just bowl unsanctioned. I,m sure all of the pro's would be 100% behind it because they are the only ones it would help, absolutely no benefit for the league bowler
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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2008, 05:52:39 PM »
How about $3 for PBA, $3 for a women's tour, $3 for promoting youth and adult leagues nationwide (or to pay for the background checks on all people associated with the youth program), and $1 for USBC Nationals tournaments?  Look at all the good you could do for only $10 more per year.  Of course, to be fair, we should only make this an optional payment, since some people like seniors, only bowl socially.  I am sure that many of us would pay the extra and millions could be generated by this.


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