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Reality Check

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Wrist Supports
« on: October 19, 2008, 10:01:20 PM »
I was just trying to find out how many (if any) pro bowlers use wrist supports, specifically gladiators/robbys revs etc?
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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 11:13:59 AM »
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Bench: 250lbs
Deadlift: 450lbs
Squat: 380lbs

Necro,

Make sure you don't use any wrist wraps, knee supports or weight lifting belts when you lift weights either.  
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LOL, well squatting 400lbs is a lot more intensive than rolling a 15lbs ball down a lane 60 ft hehe.

Also I only use knee supports on leg presses because I go up to 800-1000lbs.
Never use belts because my back is wider than a standard door hehe.
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In seriousness, I was talking with bowlers in major tournaments or those on the pro tour.  League bowlers are welcome to wear whatever they want since nothing major is on the line.

Edited on 10/20/2008 10:36 AM


Last I checked 6'0 210 isn't wider than a standard door.  Before you make such claims you should make sure that the pictures that are attached to you bowling arsenal are in private albums.

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2008, 11:21:34 AM »
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Bench: 250lbs
Deadlift: 450lbs
Squat: 380lbs

Necro,

Make sure you don't use any wrist wraps, knee supports or weight lifting belts when you lift weights either.  
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Scott




LOL, well squatting 400lbs is a lot more intensive than rolling a 15lbs ball down a lane 60 ft hehe.

Also I only use knee supports on leg presses because I go up to 800-1000lbs.
Never use belts because my back is wider than a standard door hehe.
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In seriousness, I was talking with bowlers in major tournaments or those on the pro tour.  League bowlers are welcome to wear whatever they want since nothing major is on the line.

Edited on 10/20/2008 10:36 AM


Last I checked 6'0 210 isn't wider than a standard door.  Before you make such claims you should make sure that the pictures that are attached to you bowling arsenal are in private albums.


Don't take everything so serious.  People like you will do nothing but cut others down because of your own insecurities

Anyways,

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/micarter/Unrestricted/1464522.gif

U MAD?

BTW, that was when I was 175lbs LOL.  I got over 30lbs of muscle now.
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supernoodle

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2008, 11:57:16 AM »
The thing is we all know the rules and therefore you either get on with it or if they are that objectionable you find a diferent sport to play.

I mean how far do you want to go? Due to financial/health constraints I can neither bowl that often or afford much equipment. I use two balls (both other peoples cast off's) which do exactly the same thing and are condition specific (Smokin inferno & Exception).

Should I therfore throw a wobbly (Tantrum) because I am beaten by an inferior bowler who can afford loads of balls,lots of practice and a pair of shoes with interchangeable soles,which according to your logic should also be banned?

No,I just bowl and get on with it.I may not like the advantage that others get but its not their fault I'm poor and they are playing within the rules,and that my friends is the key.
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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2008, 12:08:55 PM »
Scroggs uses a Mongoose glove . the glove keeps his hand under the ball.

BowlingWolf

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2008, 12:57:57 PM »
The use of a wrist support provides one with the ability to bowl without incurring wrist pain.

It has nothing to do with strength or power.

While I am a smaller person than Necro, and much older, when I lifted weights on a regular basis (from about 15 to 30 years of age), I steadily weighed between 155 to 160 lbs and for a 5'9" frame, I topped off at bench pressing 300 lbs for 2 reps clean (without lifting the arse off the bench), dead-lifted 475 lbs, and squatted 450 lbs.  Was also able to lift heavy in other exercises, such as curls, shoulder presses, clean and jerk, etc., which means that my wrists are pretty strong.  However, when it comes to bowling, I've always felt tinges of pain in the back of my hand/wrist, and while I can bowl very well without the aid of a wrist support, I prefer to use one, because I don't want to suffer wrist ligament damage, which, needless to say, would severely hamper my ability to bowl.

So, in conclusion, wearing a wrist support does not make one less manly, and those that knock the use of such devices often do so because of pre-conceived prejudices.

Short story, a few years back while I was practicing one afternoon, a local bowler and his friends were watching from the snack bar as I was stringing high scoring games.  Then, as I putting my gear away, these guys approached me and said that while what they had just witnessed was impressive, they all mentioned that the reason I must've bowled so well was because I was wearing a wrist device, and that if I wasn't wearing one I wouldn't come close to shooting what I had just shot.

They were pressing me to concede, saying that I probably just averaged about 250 or so for 5 games, and that there would be no way that I could come close to that without the "ringer" wrist device I was wearing.

I asked if they were willing to put their money where their mouth was, and they all hollered "hell, yeah!”

They said to me, "if you can bowl 250 average or better without your wrist device, right here, right now, in front of us, we'll each give you $100.00, but if you're unable, you'll have to pay the 4 of us $100.00 each.”

I asked them to show me their money first, which they did.  I then said I'd agree provided they handed their money to the desk clerk, and if so, I'd take out some money out of the center's ATM, and let the same clerk hold my $400.00.

They easily agreed, thinking this was gonna be easy pickins for them.  I proceeded to bowl 5 games without the wrist device, and lo and behold, what these clowns didn't know, is that without a wrist device I am able to stand on a particular spot longer, which makes me more accurate.  While my ball doesn't belly as much without a wrist device on, it still has the same backend motion, which is where one optimally wants to see his ball move, and I proceed to shoot 1,335 over 5 games, easily eclipsing the mark necessary to "prove" my bowling prowess to those clowns, and calmly collected my money without any incident, giving Bill (the desk clerk) a $50.00 for being the "banker".

So, for those of you that doubt the "natural" ability of people who wear wrist braces, think twice before you make foregone conclusions, for they can be costly.

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2008, 01:04:39 PM »
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robby Revs are not allowed on the tour.  


I think you're mistaken. This is from approved equipment on the PBA.com website:

" Ebonite
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Necromancer

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2008, 01:14:49 PM »
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The use of a wrist support provides one with the ability to bowl without incurring wrist pain.

It has nothing to do with strength or power.

While I am a smaller person than Necro, and much older, when I lifted weights on a regular basis (from about 15 to 30 years of age), I steadily weighed between 155 to 160 lbs and for a 5'9" frame, I topped off at bench pressing 300 lbs for 2 reps clean (without lifting the arse off the bench), dead-lifted 475 lbs, and squatted 450 lbs.  Was also able to lift heavy in other exercises, such as curls, shoulder presses, clean and jerk, etc., which means that my wrists are pretty strong.  However, when it comes to bowling, I've always felt tinges of pain in the back of my hand/wrist, and while I can bowl very well without the aid of a wrist support, I prefer to use one, because I don't want to suffer wrist ligament damage, which, needless to say, would severely hamper my ability to bowl.

So, in conclusion, wearing a wrist support does not make one less manly, and those that knock the use of such devices often do so because of pre-conceived prejudices.

Short story, a few years back while I was practicing one afternoon, a local bowler and his friends were watching from the snack bar as I was stringing high scoring games.  Then, as I putting my gear away, these guys approached me and said that while what they had just witnessed was impressive, they all mentioned that the reason I must've bowled so well was because I was wearing a wrist device, and that if I wasn't wearing one I wouldn't come close to shooting what I had just shot.

They were pressing me to concede, saying that I probably just averaged about 250 or so for 5 games, and that there would be no way that I could come close to that without the "ringer" wrist device I was wearing.

I asked if they were willing to put their money where their mouth was, and they all hollered "hell, yeah!”

They said to me, "if you can bowl 250 average or better without your wrist device, right here, right now, in front of us, we'll each give you $100.00, but if you're unable, you'll have to pay the 4 of us $100.00 each.”

I asked them to show me their money first, which they did.  I then said I'd agree provided they handed their money to the desk clerk, and if so, I'd take out some money out of the center's ATM, and let the same clerk hold my $400.00.

They easily agreed, thinking this was gonna be easy pickins for them.  I proceeded to bowl 5 games without the wrist device, and lo and behold, what these clowns didn't know, is that without a wrist device I am able to stand on a particular spot longer, which makes me more accurate.  While my ball doesn't belly as much without a wrist device on, it still has the same backend motion, which is where one optimally wants to see his ball move, and I proceed to shoot 1,335 over 5 games, easily eclipsing the mark necessary to "prove" my bowling prowess to those clowns, and calmly collected my money without any incident, giving Bill (the desk clerk) a $50.00 for being the "banker".

So, for those of you that doubt the "natural" ability of people who wear wrist braces, think twice before you make foregone conclusions, for they can be costly.

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BowlingWolf


LOL, that sounds like something to be made in a movie or something.  Not doubting you.  I can believe it just because I have been around it for about 20 years and know that the majority of those outside of bowling have no damn clue of what it takes to be good at bowling.

Good stuff though, although I am still against wrist supports for pros and tournament hehe .

BTW, awesome bench.
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BowlingWolf

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2008, 01:17:54 PM »
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robby Revs are not allowed on the tour.  


I think you're mistaken. This is from approved equipment on the PBA.com website:

" Ebonite
 Full Registration: Balls, Apparel and Accessories - includes Robby's"


Yep, and here's the link to PBA Approved Equipment/Accessories.
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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2008, 01:20:01 PM »
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Good stuff though, although I am still against wrist supports for pros and tournament hehe .
Again, everybody has access to them, and if they actually make that big a difference and magically make your game better, why aren't you wearing one?  Honestly, they create almost as many problems as they solve.  Hell, I would actually prefer to bowl without one, but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain.  But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?  Grow up and find better things to complain about, or better yet, go work on improving your game so you don't get beaten by those "cheaters" who use wrist braces!

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2008, 01:24:20 PM »
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Grow up and find better things to complain about, or better yet, go work on improving your game so you don't get beaten by those "cheaters" who use wrist braces!  


Nothing to say about "cheater" bowling balls?  Everybody has access to them also. <---- that was meant towards Necro not Dan B.
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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2008, 01:29:08 PM »
Necro,

Thanks for the accolade.

Incidentally, I stopped lifting weights because I do love bowling so much.

Weight lifting was making me too tight, even with lots of stretching.  So now I just do lots of calisthenics (push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, lots of heavy bag hitting, and religious elliptical bike work).

To be more specific, I stopped lifting because of what you mentioned about your back: lats getting wider from exercise.  Developing such a shape prevents/hampers a good back swing (effectively shortens it).  The upside to a short back swing though, is increased accuracy, so I don’t mind the still visible trade-off after all of these years.

As for you not liking to see pros or high-ranking amateurs wearing a wrist brace, that’s your thing, but I respectfully disagree for the aforementioned “health” reasons.

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2008, 01:29:32 PM »
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Good stuff though, although I am still against wrist supports for pros and tournament hehe .
Again, everybody has access to them, and if they actually make that big a difference and magically make your game better, why aren't you wearing one?  Honestly, they create almost as many problems as they solve.  Hell, I would actually prefer to bowl without one, but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain.  But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?  Grow up and find better things to complain about, or better yet, go work on improving your game so you don't get beaten by those "cheaters" who use wrist braces!


I used to use them until I saw they only weaken my wrist and makes me neglect form.  Then I moved to just the strap over the wrist itself.  But after awhile that was a waste too.  Now I am free to cup the ball and let it go and watch it snap back for strike after strike.  I don't use one for the same reason why I don't use a weight lifting belt - it makes you weaker.

If you beat me, then its all good.  I never said I was the best, I just said I was good and would not get dominated by anyone on here.
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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2008, 01:32:55 PM »
You are correct I was actually thinking of the Moro-pro wrist support.  My bad

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robby Revs are not allowed on the tour.  


I think you're mistaken. This is from approved equipment on the PBA.com website:

" Ebonite
 Full Registration: Balls, Apparel and Accessories - includes Robby's"

Necromancer

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2008, 01:33:48 PM »
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Necro,

Thanks for the accolade.

Incidentally, I stopped lifting weights because I do love bowling so much.

Weight lifting was making me too tight, even with lots of stretching.  So now I just do lots of calisthenics (push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, lots of heavy bag hitting, and religious elliptical bike work).

To be more specific, I stopped lifting because of what you mentioned about your back: lats getting wider from exercise.  Developing such a shape prevents/hampers a good back swing (effectively shortens it).  The upside to a short back swing though, is increased accuracy, so I don’t mind the still visible trade-off after all of these years.

As for you not liking to see pros or high-ranking amateurs wearing a wrist brace, that’s your thing, but I respectfully disagree for the aforementioned “health” reasons.

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LOL, me and you are the same except I have decided on the opposite choice.  I have distanced myself from bowling and just do it for fun while I focus on getting bigger and training.  I gotta keep my workouts 2 days apart from Wed league because of the reasons you said.  If my back or shoulders are too tight, then I bowl pretty crappy or it just feels like hell releasing the ball.  And yeah the wider I have gotten, the less fluid my whole form has become.  It is the choice I made and have accepted that I won't get much better the bigger I get just because my mechanics are going more and more off.

I didn't think of the backswing issue haha.  Maybe that is why I keep feeling more uncomfortable during my swing and release.  All I know is to not deadlift the night before bowling night LOL!
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Brunswick Fury
Columbia 300 EPX T1
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029

2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???

Hall of Fame BR Member Since: April 3, 2001


6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF
Current Arsenal Gallery
H: Brunswick Fury, Columbia 300 EPX T1
M-H: Storm Shift Gravity, Hammer Black Widow
M: Storm X-Factor Vertigo, Ebonite Predator
M-L: Storm Recharge
S: Viz-A-Ball White
Bench: Brunswick Target Spare Zone, Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
GEMS: Brunswick Quantum Helix, Brunswick Quantum Double Helix

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scotts33

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Re: Wrist Supports
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2008, 01:37:10 PM »
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If you beat me, then its all good. I never said I was the best, I just said I was good and would not get dominated by anyone on here.
 


Me thinks there are many on BR.com who could dominate you Necro....just think that Jeff Carter posts here reularily as well as riggs, Steve Richter and a host of other great bowlers who have the game and the records to show they could take most of us including you to the cleaners.  Wrist support or none.  

BTW....I'd put Kim Adler up against you with her wrist support any day of the week.  She used to post here regularily before the Ladies Tour went down.  
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