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rockerbowler18

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The Cell sucks...
« on: November 05, 2008, 09:12:21 AM »
Just not a big fan. I've tweaked coverstocks. I've thrown it on multiple conditions, I've played different lines. I've done a whole mess of stuff with this ball, and I just don't like it.

Hell, I even waited 'til Obama was elected, but still, no Change. (maybe that's not the change he was promising?)

Anyone else have problems with the ball? If so, what did you do to fix them?

Mine's drilled pin above ring finger, MB out at about 30*.

Just not a great peice, but I don't wanna cut my losses on such an expensive ball, especially when it's supposed to be such a great one.
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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 05:55:26 PM »
What is your pap? Pin over ring may be too strong a layout.
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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 05:57:26 PM »
Not everyone matches up with the same equipment....as good as the black widows are I didnt match up with them that well.

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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 06:07:58 PM »
Your subject leaves much to be desired.

If you haven't gotten the Cell to work for you, then that is one thing. To put it in such a negative light, is only looking for attention and is wrong, because the Cell cannot suck when SO MANY love it and use daily, and it is such an incredible success.

If you want help in making it work for you, tell us
- what drillings and what surfaces you have tried,
- what oil pattern and amount you have used each drilling on,
- what your axis, tilt, rotation, ball speed is
- what balls, their surface and drilligns have worked for you on each of the patterns and amounts on which the Cell has not worked.

If you don't really want help, then  .... {expletive delted}

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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 06:29:48 PM »
read the review I posted on the ball...might give you some help?
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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 06:35:48 PM »
It's never the ball that sucks.

rockerbowler18

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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 06:44:45 PM »
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Not everyone matches up with the same equipment....as good as the black widows are I didnt match up with them that well.


I had the same problem with the Black Widow Solid. Didn't care for it much either.

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Your subject leaves much to be desired.

If you haven't gotten the Cell to work for you, then that is one thing. To put it in such a negative light, is only looking for attention and is wrong, because the Cell cannot suck when SO MANY love it and use daily, and it is such an incredible success.

If you want help in making it work for you, tell us
- what drillings and what surfaces you have tried,
- what oil pattern and amount you have used each drilling on,
- what your axis, tilt, rotation, ball speed is
- what balls, their surface and drilligns have worked for you on each of the patterns and amounts on which the Cell has not worked.

If you don't really want help, then .... {expletive delted}




The reason I said it sucked is that it does for me. I clarified that in the post. Also, the controversial "Cell Sucks" topic was used to get people to look at the post. Had I said something like "the cell is less than adequate in this situation" I probably wouldn't have gotten anyone's attention.

I told you the drilling I've used. Pin above ring finger by a 1/4 inch, CG under ring by 2.5 Inches, mass bias at about 30*, no weight hole necessary.

As far as surface prep:

1000 Abby
2000 Abby
4000 Abby
all wet sand, also dry scuffed at all of these

2000 Abby w/ polish
4000 Abby w/ polish

I've thrown it on the Scorpion (minimal success), Chameleon (most success, though still minimal, modified House shot short (36 ft.), modified House Shot long (42 ft.), THS med oil, fresh, broken down, custom sport shot at a tournament that didn't release pattern info (I'm not sure what it looked like, but it was heavy oil and about 42 ft).

My rev rate: 400-450
Speed: 16-17
Tilt, not sure...PAP is at about 5 1/2 over, 1/4 up
Turn, I've thrown this thing with 90* turn, I've thrown it with 15* turn...

I've had success on the Scorpion with the Playmaker/SR300
Success on the Chameleon with Smash Time and a little with the Cell, but not much.
Short mod. House - Playmaker/Smash Time
Long Mod. House - Smash Time/Av. Pearl
THS - everything I freakin own. Smash Time, Playmaker, SR300, The One...the list goes on.
As for the custom shot, Playmaker/SR300 was best luck for me.

Playmaker - 4000 abby, no polish
SR300 - 2000 abby, no polish
The One - 4000 abby, high polish
Smash Time - 1000 abby, no polish
Av. Pearl - 2000 Abby, polished
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rockerbowler18

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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 06:47:18 PM »
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It's never the ball that sucks.



Did you even read the post, you retard?

It says I'm not a big fan and I can't get the ball to work for me. Don't imply that I suck, because I assure that's not the case. I just don't match up with the ball. However, I'm not rich, and I'm not willing to cut my losses with a $200 ball just yet.

If you don't have something constructive to say, don't say anything. I wasn't asking for a lesson, that's what my coach is for.
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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 07:02:59 PM »
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It's never the ball that sucks.



Did you even read the post, you retard?

It says I'm not a big fan and I can't get the ball to work for me. Don't imply that I suck, because I assure that's not the case. I just don't match up with the ball. However, I'm not rich, and I'm not willing to cut my losses with a $200 ball just yet.

If you don't have something constructive to say, don't say anything. I wasn't asking for a lesson, that's what my coach is for.
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For someone that quotes Deepak Chopra in his profile, you sure seem angry.

Anyway, I think that what  J_L_B was trying to say is basically that "it ain't the tool's fault, it's the carpenter's".

To a certain degree I agree with you about how a certain ball may not match up to one's game, but to go out of the way and say that the Cell sucks, sounds a little too harsh of an assessment.  

Had you merely stated that the Cell may not be a ball that you can read the lanes with or find a consistency with, etc., then you wouldn't have illicited such negative responses.
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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2008, 07:05:10 PM »
And I repeat:

The reason I said it sucked is that it does for me. I clarified that in the post. Also, the controversial "Cell Sucks" topic was used to get people to look at the post. Had I said something like "the cell is less than adequate in this situation" I probably wouldn't have gotten anyone's attention.
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charlest

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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2008, 07:10:19 PM »
If it's attention you want, well ... you still didn't need to use such a subject. "Help or assistance with my Cell" would have gotten help. It always does. Anyway ...

I'm curious as to the major symptom of the problem(s) with the ball. I assume there were different problems with different surfaces and when used on different patterns. The most significant problem(s) would give a better idea (Carry, getting to the pocket, lack of control, hitting weak, rolling out).

That MB angle is slightly on the extreme side, usually used for people with lots of rotation (It would have worked with a 90 degree release) or people with lots of tilt. You seem to have neither. That would partially explain some of your problem.
-> Did you use the One with a similar MB drilling?

A 30 degree MB position would also have reduced the backend somewhat, but the MB strength is not as strong as The One's MB.

Heavy polish or polish on top of fine Abralon (liek 2000 or 4000 grit) tends to make the Cell a lot more flippy and hard to control.
1000 Abralon with Polish would have been good for some extra length if the 2000 Abralon stock surface was too early, AS long as the polish wasn't overdone.

With your rev rate, a 600 or 800 grit (nylon pad) would be good for medium-hevay oil to heavy patterns like the Shark. (The stock 2000 Abralon on the Cell is roughly 1000 grit US, compared to the green pad's 600 grit US and the grey pad's 800 grit US.)

The Cell is probably closest overall to a 2000 Abralon sanded The One, in general.


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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2008, 07:13:27 PM »
I'm with you rocker, I've thrown a few of them and I have not been impressed. Higher rev rates do not match up well with this ball, maybe the pearl but not this one. I have seen a few people with little to no hand have some success with it, but again, not enough to impress me that this is the "best ball to ever be released". I will keep going with Ebo as it matches up the best with my game and keep trying these "awesome" balls that these other companies keep putting out witn no avail.

Roto4ever is going to kill me when he sees this, lol, sorry Jarrett!
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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2008, 07:24:05 PM »
The only people I've seen who come away disappoinetd with the Cell are people expecting a big backend reaction.  That's the exact opposite of what this ball is all about.

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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2008, 07:32:22 PM »
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I'm with you rocker, I've thrown a few of them and I have not been impressed. Higher rev rates do not match up well with this ball, maybe the pearl but not this one. I have seen a few people with little to no hand have some success with it, but again, not enough to impress me that this is the "best ball to ever be released". I will keep going with Ebo as it matches up the best with my game and keep trying these "awesome" balls that these other companies keep putting out witn no avail.

Roto4ever is going to kill me when he sees this, lol, sorry Jarrett!
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Basically, that's me. I've tried other companies, but never had much success.

I was certainly not looking for a big reaction with this ball, and with low grit, I was running into "hook off the hand, no finish". When I got the higher grits out, I started getting over under reactions.

Just not my fave ball, and I was looking for someone who could help me out.

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Re: The Cell sucks...
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2008, 09:02:05 PM »
I was in the same boat as u when i first got my cell, since, i have found that its a GREAT ball.  

What turned me around on the cell was this.  I went 500 abralon + polish, the ball got decent length, but still kept it nice hard arc to the pocket.  I tried going 1000 & more + polish & it just got squirty on me.

Maybe try my 500 + polish( i use beans secret sauce ).

I had nothing but hate for the ball until i went this route, now, its one of my main goto balls.


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