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toomanytenpins

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whats your line with the cell
« on: February 03, 2008, 09:20:35 AM »
I havent seen anyone else aroung here throwing it so i have nothing to refer to. But i am really curious what line you guys, and gals if it applies,are playing with this ball. I have practiced with it and been able to get lined up when i practice ,but thses are never league type shots. Conditioned lanes for durability,but pretty decent hold area without dynamic oob area. I have yet to be able to find a line in league though. I get total over under .with it. No recovery no hold its either high or washout. Brooklyn or bust. I am not knocking the ball just asking a question. I am really trying to find out why its so good in everyone elses hand and so bad in mine. Many peole know about it and it has a rep as being a very strong piece. I am trully doing it an injustice and its not fair to me or roto.
    I was offord the opportunity to send it in to roto to see if it is something wrong with it and i think i am going to take mustang guy up on his offer
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2008, 06:56:55 PM »
Today is the first time I've seen a glimmer of over/under but only because there was, to my eye, true heavy oil down the middle of the lane, where I practiced today. Heavy enough that I could, did throw one frozen rope, when I did a huge pull inside. Mine is at the stock 2000 grit.

In my regular houses, I cannot use this ball at all. Once I tried, I had to stand against the ball return and throw it very hard.

As has been suggested maybe it is not drilled right for you (mass bias balls are sensitive to PAP and drilling) or maybe you need a different surface, rougher? Have you tried 1500 grit or 1000 grit? That would reduce over/under.
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toomanytenpins

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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 06:48:23 PM »
i went to 400 because of the lack of hook. my pap is 4and 5/8 and the ball is drilled 4 inches from pap and set up 40 degrees,wanted 45 but couldnt because it wouldnt be legal. pin is under ring . this is half inch closer than my odyssey,but basically same set up. my odyssey is also at the same grit.Maybe i got a saturn or something that was labeled a cell. I am gonna send it back to roto and se what they say.
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 09:09:05 PM »
I have to agree with Drrev and inferno. I'm afraid to take it to 1000 grit, no less 400 grit. I suspect that something is very wrong, with your drilling. many people put the MB too close to the VAL/PAP and get a super early roll and think something is wrong with the ball.
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 09:22:41 PM »
IMO it's more technique related than ball but that's just a guess.  Low tracker ball spinning not getting into a heavy roll.

To date I've seen about a dozen different Cells on medium to heavier and none were duds.  

What's your rev rate toomanytenpins?
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toomanytenpins

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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 09:29:37 PM »
i didnt move on a house shot at 2000 . it didnt move on a second shift shot at 2000.It didnt move in the oil at 2000 .It doesnt move in the oil at 400 it does seem to move and carry at the lower grit ,but its still very suspect..The last time i used it i was also throwing my mean machine and rising. Using the cell i had to slow it down and played it inside of the other 2. If i missed right it was at best a 10 pin,if not a washout. I polished it over the oob and it was no difference for me. I hit the 400 with a green scotch brite pad and it was no different. It hits very hard even when it leaves the 10 pin. But as far as the hook and revovery i have read about its not there. I dont want to have it plugged and redrilled and have it be no different. If when roto gets it they say its ok and just me or a bad layout i will go from there.But the offer was made for them to check it out and i am going to take them up on it.Its doing me no good as it is and i am not going to sell it until i find out for sure its no match.
    I can change releases and anles with most of my balls and have them respond. this ball doesnt change. I leave a to pin on a good shoot with my pluto;i come around it more on the next shot and strike,i leave a 10 pin with the cell and try that the next shot is a 10 pin.Maybe its burning up because of the drill ,but the only other guy i would go to hates roto and really has nothing but contempt for them. My driller is under the weather and isnt drilling or getting out to watch me throw it .so i figure its either sit it in the basement or garage next to my wmb or send it back to roto and get there professional opinion ,since it was offered.
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 09:44:31 PM »
Again what's your rev rate toomanytenpins?
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 10:44:06 PM »
Something's rotten in Denamrk.  The ball is receiving rave reviews, making a Scroggins look like the second coming, help Danny Wiseman to some TV time and a title, and it's the ball's fault?  Who knows?  Maybe you got a ball with a bad core, misaligned Cg, Mass Bias, or Pin.  There's simply too many people who are overwhelmingly satisfied with this ball for there not to be something wrong. toomanytenpins, bombard us with as much 411 that you can.  Rev rate, volume/length of oil pattern, other bowlers with you, first or second shift, etc.  If nothing else, put the ball up for sale, cut your losses, and move along.
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2008, 09:11:35 AM »
At this point, it has to be his physical game.
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2008, 02:41:06 PM »
Generally speaking, I can't use my Cell (out of box finish) unless there is a ton of oil in the heads.  But on some PBA patterns- Scorpion, Viper, Chameleon and shark I have had some success playing anywhere from Inside angles to on the ditch.

On a THS- I can play about 25-5 (nose bleed for me) but I find it easier to just switch to either my pluto, Illusion or Mystic.

I drilled mine  4 x 4  with a pin buffer of 2 1/2.

I have seen some people not happy with their recent purchases in the past and 9 times out of 10 its because the layout was incorrect for them. Do yourself a favor (and a considerable amount of less heartache) and take the ball to the nearest IBPSIA certified Pro Shop and have them verify your grip, PAP and layout- to see if it checks out.

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toomanytenpins

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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2008, 05:47:32 PM »
i asked a very simple question or so i thought. what line do you play with the ball .thats all i asked. if you play anywhere and everywhere thats fine ,but thats all i asked, sorry i asked such a hard question.
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2008, 08:00:35 PM »
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i asked a very simple question or so i thought. what line do you play with the ball .thats all i asked. if you play anywhere and everywhere thats fine ,but thats all i asked, sorry i asked such a hard question.
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It's not necessarily a hard question, it's merely too vague for the question to be answered correctly, given the information provided.  It's kinda like asking, how do I get there from here?
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2008, 08:18:04 PM »
Here is the answer to the question you asked  I got mine last night and used it in league.  I was at 18 with my feet, but I line up with my left foot and I am left handed.  I played the ball at about 12-13 out to around 8-10 with some speed, and had no problems at all.  The ball definately didn't wheel, which I thought it would do on this particular shot, but it moved nicely and hit even better.

I actually did not realize this was a particle ball, and was very happy with the reaction I got.  It just shows me I will be able to use it more often than I first thought.

Just as an aside...LOVE my new Pluto

EDIT:  I am confused now because my info sheet that came in the box says this ball is Particle, but the review info on this site says it is reactive....so which is it?
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proshopbowl

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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2008, 11:08:57 PM »
I was told that it was a mis-print... Coverstock is a solid reactive.
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Re: whats your line with the cell
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2008, 11:11:46 PM »
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EDIT: I am confused now because my info sheet that came in the box says this ball is Particle, but the review info on this site says it is reactive....so which is it?


Spider Ball Bowler - the ball is a solid reactive.  There was a mistake on some of the cards that were sent out early indicating it was particle, but it is definately a solid reactive ball.


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