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BBock727

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attitude shift surface change
« on: March 05, 2008, 03:35:47 AM »
i posted about cleaning this ball about a week ago, but since my attitude is OOB ,  im wondering what some of you guys who really like the attitude did with it.   my first 30 or so games w/ this ball i loved... averaged about 225 w/ it.  the next 30 games have been a disaster probably avging a 185 w/ it and a usual set looking like 170-200-215.  or the ocassional 150- 190- 250.  since i was so successful with it early on i was thinking about cleaning it, but if i have the pro shop hit it w/ a pad, i might as well get ideas of what surface you guys have used.  i believe oob is 2000.
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 11:56:35 AM »
well i had mine taken to 1000 grit abralon but i dodnt like that at all it was way too much, because my ball had the same issue, and then i just had them take it back to 2000 and it was just as good as new!!! some food for though... hope i helped

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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 01:39:32 PM »
whats the problem with it.. is going to early and burning up for you and not hitting?? My brother had the same problem so he threw a little polish on it (beans secret sauce i think?) and it made him look like god. but he has lower revs and slower ball speed so i don't know if thats right for you. i'd say just hit with an abralon pad and polish if you like.
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 03:04:04 PM »
...thinking about cleaning it???

It could just need the pores wiped off.
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 04:00:45 PM »
im utterly confused.  im a lefty, throw ball 17 mph..id say i get decent hand on the ball but  i never tested my rev rate.  i would say lower side of medium revs  definately not high.   i usually stand with my left foot on the first dot to the right of the middle dot and i throw it out to the 12 board maybe??? (i swing it pretty far)   i used to have a quick move towardspocket after it skid two thirds of the way down having just rediculus carry and lots of messengers.  now, my ball doesnt make such a strong move...sometimes it comes back,  other times it misses the head pin and dies at the 2 or 4 pin.    (oil conditions have not changed btw in the past few wks.)   i bowl tonight so ill study it more carefully but i dont think its moving too early, i feel like it just isnt making a move although its revving     im sure i need a cleaning.        i also know i need to slow down my ball a bit.  i believe thats why my 2nd and 3rd games are always better.       hope that helps with you guys giving more specific advise   i need to get my release and reaction on video so someone can specifically help me decide.
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 04:27:46 PM »
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im utterly confused.  im a lefty, throw ball 17 mph..id say i get decent hand on the ball but  i never tested my rev rate.  i would say lower side of medium revs  definately not high.   i usually stand with my left foot on the first dot to the right of the middle dot and i throw it out to the 12 board maybe??? (i swing it pretty far)   i used to have a quick move towardspocket after it skid two thirds of the way down having just rediculus carry and lots of messengers.  now, my ball doesnt make such a strong move...sometimes it comes back,  other times it misses the head pin and dies at the 2 or 4 pin.    (oil conditions have not changed btw in the past few wks.)   i bowl tonight so ill study it more carefully but i dont think its moving too early, i feel like it just isnt making a move although its revving     im sure i need a cleaning.        i also know i need to slow down my ball a bit.  i believe thats why my 2nd and 3rd games are always better.       hope that helps with you guys giving more specific advise   i need to get my release and reaction on video so someone can specifically help me decide.


In the mean time, maybe on your 1st game, try playing a touch more outside of where you're throwing currently.  You can always move in as needed.  Start by throwing it at 10 or 12 at the arrows out to 5,6 or 7.  Then go in from there as needed.

Maybe it needs an oil bath?  There are numerous posts on here for ball baths.  Let BR members know if you need advice, but check previous topic posts 1st as some info will be redundant.
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 09:33:33 PM »
One I had drilled for  one of my teammates had the same issue and all i did was freshen the surface up and it reacted like new again. He is a high speed low rev player so we did the surface at 1000 abralon
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2008, 08:35:16 AM »
ill try a cleaning this week in the dishwasher since this wk was another disaster!!  153-189-218.  havnt bowled this bad in 10 years!   anyway i read a million posts on baths.  are my inserts(thumb and fingers ) ok to go in the dishwasher?
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2008, 02:44:32 PM »
Since this has the same cover as the Special Agent, I can maybe say what I do with it...

Clean after every set with spray cleaner (Power Wash, Reacta Clean etc).  When ball gets really shiny from oil over time use Clean N Dull on it.  This is a deep cleaning that will return the ball to its dull state.  After a certain amount of games, you may notice that your ball stays almost shiny even with the Clean N Dull, this is when you need to take it to the pro shop and have them use the Abralon pads on it if you don't have your own ball spinner.  

You have to regularly have the surface set back to its OOB surface.  How many games?  I don't know but you'll get a feel for it.  Once you have the pro shop put it back to its OOB surface you will definitely notice the difference.

I've got a ton of games on my Special and it still works like new.  I would think you probably have to just get that thing deep cleaned and set back to 2000.
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BBock727

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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2008, 08:00:56 PM »
whats ur pro shop charge you?  ...its 30 dollars just to bake by me.  no idea what it cost to resurface.  the proshop i use is way overpriced!
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Dan Belcher

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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2008, 06:05:08 AM »
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whats ur pro shop charge you?  ...its 30 dollars just to bake by me.  no idea what it cost to resurface.  the proshop i use is way overpriced!
Get a 5 gallon bucket at home, fill it with hot water, and do it yourself.  Much cheaper.  As for resurfacing, you probably don't need a full deep resurfacing.  (i.e. sand down to 500, then bring it back up gradually to 2000)  You can probably get away with just a few seconds on each side with a 2000 pad to get a little fresh surface exposed.
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2008, 07:03:15 AM »
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whats ur pro shop charge you?  ...its 30 dollars just to bake by me.  no idea what it cost to resurface.  the proshop i use is way overpriced!
Get a 5 gallon bucket at home, fill it with hot water, and do it yourself.  Much cheaper.  As for resurfacing, you probably don't need a full deep resurfacing.  (i.e. sand down to 500, then bring it back up gradually to 2000)  You can probably get away with just a few seconds on each side with a 2000 pad to get a little fresh surface exposed.


Yeah what he said.  Before you start spending 30 dollars to bake it, try some stuff on your own and have them set it back to 2000 Abralon.
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2008, 09:24:42 AM »
Gold medal posting Fluff!!

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Since this has the same cover as the Special Agent, I can maybe say what I do with it...

Clean after every set with spray cleaner (Power Wash, Reacta Clean etc).  When ball gets really shiny from oil over time use Clean N Dull on it.  This is a deep cleaning that will return the ball to its dull state.  After a certain amount of games, you may notice that your ball stays almost shiny even with the Clean N Dull, this is when you need to take it to the pro shop and have them use the Abralon pads on it if you don't have your own ball spinner.  

You have to regularly have the surface set back to its OOB surface.  How many games?  I don't know but you'll get a feel for it.  Once you have the pro shop put it back to its OOB surface you will definitely notice the difference.

I've got a ton of games on my Special and it still works like new.  I would think you probably have to just get that thing deep cleaned and set back to 2000.
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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2008, 11:38:43 AM »
then what should i pay for the pro shop guy to hit the ball for 10 seconds with 500grit, 1000grit, and then 2000grit?  I know everyone has to make a living, but i think it takes him all of 2 minutes and he charges astronomical prices.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: attitude shift surface change
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2008, 11:40:54 AM »
My pro shop guy charges me $3 for minor surface changes.  I do not know how much he charges for a full resurfacing however.
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