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Storm269

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Dimension vs CELL
« on: June 29, 2008, 07:42:09 PM »
Anyone here have these 2 balls ? Possible to do a comparison ? Thanks !
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Re: Dimension vs CELL
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2008, 06:25:39 PM »
I know here in Europe my Cell and my Mystic will see very little action due to lack of oil volume needed.  I would throw the Cell a little bit in practice for giggles and people were like...well that doesn't hook much.  So I put a piece of tape on my PAP and threw the Cell and showed them how really strong the ball is.  My tape started it's massive migration at about 14 feet....On what people thought was a medium heavy oiled condition.  I then took out my Rapid Fire and put a piece of tape on my PAP and threw it and watched the tape stay in place til about 35 feet and then start it's migration.  This visually showed them why the Cell wouldn't "hook" and yet my Rapid Fire did.

I wonder what a similiarlly drilled Dimension and Cell would look like with the tape on PAP trick?

Sorry just rambling...:-)


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Re: Dimension vs CELL
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2008, 02:45:38 AM »
Would you guys say that both of these are true oilers, or just the Dimension?  My guess is they both can be, but the Dimension is likely preferred by most.  It's a great piece from what I see.  At the least, someone with less than 350 revs could use either on Medium-Heavy right?
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Re: Dimension vs CELL
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2008, 05:31:04 AM »
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Would you guys say that both of these are true oilers, or just the Dimension?


Both.

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 My guess is they both can be, but the Dimension is likely preferred by most.  


Nope, only by those with less revs. I have medium at most and find the Cell enough for the heaviest of oil but have not yet used it on a pattern like the Shark.

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It's a great piece from what I see.  At the least, someone with less than 350 revs could use either on Medium-Heavy right?


I have to believe that your rev rate is not the deciding factor unless you're relatively low, like less than 200. The deciding factor will likely be your ball speedrev/rate ratio. You can take these balls down to 600 or 1000 grit, drill them with leverage pin positions and strong weight holes and, then, even low rev rate people can use them on true heavy oil. These are also very flexible and versatile balls. PLUS the Cell has an asymmetric core, which means even more options for getting ball reactions.

I think you still don't get the real picture of how good these balls are, or can be.
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Re: Dimension vs CELL
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2008, 12:35:19 PM »
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 My guess is they both can be, but the Dimension is likely preferred by most.  


Nope, only by those with less revs. I have medium at most and find the Cell enough for the heaviest of oil but have not yet used it on a pattern like the Shark.

250rpm rev rate here and always speed dominant even when I try to throw it slow.  Due to a decided lack of friction on the Shark last night, I played out and pointed it from the 6 board at the arrows to the pocket with very, very little hook with my Cell.  It worked out very well.  The ball barely moved, but the carry was amazing.  I just had to be accurate, as is always the case when trying to play out on the Shark.  Still shot 20 pins per game higher than I ever have on that pattern before.


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I think you still don't get the real picture of how good these balls are, or can be.
I agree.
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Re: Dimension vs CELL
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2008, 12:49:42 PM »
To me, one of the main reasons that people believe newer stuff to hook more than older stuff is actually ball death.  People throw the Cell for 5 to 6 months without cleaning it and then cut up a fresh dimension and try to compare the two.  Even with cleaning, there is going to be some depreciation in hook, but without (as most bowlers do), the change is huge.

Secondly, I have a higher rev rate (north of 350) have little tilt and higher ball speed.  For me, the Cell was very strong and difficult to use on medium oil.  It has a higher pin position to try to get it through the heads, but it was very angular on the backend and worked best on heavier volumes of oil.  

As a short aside, I did get great hit out of the ball, but oddly enough (as this is an weird, biased, and subjective critique) I felt that I sent alot of blanks (messengers in front of the ten pin that didn't hit anything) with the ball.  I don't exactly know why this was the case, but I'd love to know how a sanded ball, on medium/hvy, kicks the ten to the side wall and doesn't get it back far enough to kick out the ten.
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Re: Dimension vs CELL
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2008, 04:01:25 PM »
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To me, one of the main reasons that people believe newer stuff to hook more than older stuff is actually ball death.  People throw the Cell for 5 to 6 months without cleaning it and then cut up a fresh dimension and try to compare the two.  Even with cleaning, there is going to be some depreciation in hook, but without (as most bowlers do), the change is huge.
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Re: Dimension vs CELL
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2008, 04:20:01 PM »
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I think you still don't get the real picture of how strong these balls are, or can be.


Fixed.

Would you say you're speed dominant, rev dominant, or about equal?  Also, is "medium revs" around 300?  I'm told I have a rev rate close to that, give or take and I'm rev dominant or equal I think.
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Re: Dimension vs CELL
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2008, 09:04:23 PM »
One of the bowler in the league was using a Dimension yesterday nite...looking at the ball reaction, it seems to have a stronger move in the backend then the Cell. Just my observation.
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