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Blueprint

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Step down from a Punch Out
« on: October 27, 2014, 12:09:18 PM »
I recently drilled a Punch Out (Pin above ring) to fit between my Optimus (Pin under ring) and Breeze Hybrid (Pin above ring). Well once the lanes start to break down and my Optimus is too much, my Punch Out is not a step down from my Optimus by any means. So I still have a big gap before getting to my Breeze Hybrid. Would a weaker drill on another Punch Out change the reaction that much or should I just look at getting an Uproar or Scream?
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tkkshop

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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2014, 08:51:47 PM »
No problem! Keep us updated

at 2.57 rg .022 diff, this ball is controllable. With a core that weak, you don't want to dill it weak as then he would have a breeze.
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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2014, 08:58:10 PM »
If the Breeze and Shout 2014 had the same layout, would the Shout be naturally stronger?
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SVstar34

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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 09:11:50 PM »
Yes. Stronger cover and core
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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2014, 09:34:38 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on October 27, 2014, 08:51:47 PM
No problem! Keep us updated

at 2.57 rg .022 diff, this ball is controllable. With a core that weak, you don't want to dill it weak as then he would have a breeze.

I guess you must have a different Shout than I do. Mine is heavy rolling drilled with the layout you suggested.  I wish I would have drilled it weaker. I bowl on a supposed fresh 2nd shift league. I'm lucky to get the first half game out of it.  I learned that for length and backend, a taller core works the best at least for me.
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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 09:46:16 PM »
Quote from: northface28 on October 27, 2014, 05:54:13 PM
Quote from: cheech on October 27, 2014, 03:47:38 PM
i think if you put a weaker drilling on the punch out you will be alright. a big reason your punch is reacting as strong as your optimus is becuase it exploits all the friction at the end of the pattern. i think if you move the pin to 5 1/2" and put it down you will decrease the flare and slow down the response to friction.

Where is this belief coming from? I put the pin down and the ball flares SIGNIFICANTLY more than when I put the pin up.

i find that hard to believe. by putting the pin further from the PAP you are flare potential and the pin down you are taking differential out of the core thus reducing flare potential and reducing the response to friction. take a look at a couple blueprint numbers. differential for the same pin-PAP length but one with say 25* VAL angle and one with a 65* VAL angle
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tkkshop

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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2014, 10:37:51 PM »
Quote from: Track_Fanatic on October 27, 2014, 09:34:38 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on October 27, 2014, 08:51:47 PM
No problem! Keep us updated

at 2.57 rg .022 diff, this ball is controllable. With a core that weak, you don't want to dill it weak as then he would have a breeze.

I guess you must have a different Shout than I do. Mine is heavy rolling drilled with the layout you suggested.  I wish I would have drilled it weaker. I bowl on a supposed fresh 2nd shift league. I'm lucky to get the first half game out of it.  I learned that for length and backend, a taller core works the best at least for me.
is yours polished? I made sure to mention this part, twice. The 2024 Shout comes polished from the factory. And the "skid flip" is what I was going away from for him. All the does is force you left when you see friction, and results in more corner pins. If he wants the flip reaction but weaker than the Punch, he could go with the Scream.
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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2014, 11:40:21 PM »
My polished shout is pretty weak especially if you get deep and trust it off the spot. Mine has one weakness....throwing it too fast will often leave a weak ten because the ball just doesnt have enough.  In other words...when I throw I get to stop forcing the ball...on the dry. Its beautiful.
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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2014, 12:03:01 AM »
How is yours drilled bill? Mine is a 4x3 and rolls great. I think a 4x4 suites that weak core nicely.
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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2014, 06:30:29 AM »
I pretty much do a 4x4 but I usually put the pin in the palm on lower end equipment...and am now swinging it a bit on higher end releases like the optimus.  It may be more like a 4x5 as the line you draw for the virtual MB is sometimes on my thumb or to the left of it.
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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2014, 09:29:26 PM »
So I ended up hitting my Punch Out with 4k and polish. It actually gave me the separation from my Optimus that I was looking for.
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Re: Step down from a Punch Out
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2014, 01:57:43 AM »
That's great! You have to love the R2S' versatility.
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