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J_Mac

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930T, 715A, and 505C
« on: May 18, 2009, 10:42:28 AM »
http://www.talktenpin.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3583&Itemid=127

2 new cores still under wraps so far.  505C recycles the Shuttle core out of the Kinetic lineup.

 

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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2009, 09:54:26 AM »
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Didnt Global start this with their cover ratings 2 years ago?  I think they still use it and couple it with a name.  Best of both worlds......This is a cool idea but i know my customers still like names.....Naming the ball a number can get boring after awhile.  What are they going to do when they run out of MB to hit? 930.1 version 10x?  Sounds like an ebonite coverstock hahahahahaa


900 didnt start this on there balls. They only listed the rating they gave there covers in terms of strength. They still named there bowling balls with some name. You also wont have a problem with running out of a MB to hit. Each series will have a range of MB strengths it can have. These ranges could also change in time due to the natual change in what MB strength can be considered HP numbers. Look at the 715A back in say 2003 a MB rating of .015 for some companys was still a rather high MB rating. Now adays it is considered on the lower side of medium for strength.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2009, 09:58:07 AM »
When Elite started, they named the balls after the coverstock material and differential - "R" for reactive, "P" for particle - e. g. the "R43". The idea is not new.

Even though I can understand the system, I doubt that it has customer appeal -at least as balls' names?
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2009, 10:13:15 AM »
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If the ball rolls nice and people strike alot with it who cares what the name is. Track is not marketing to the Rock-N-Bowl market. This is a ball company for serious bowlers. Serious bowlers care about performance and color. No matter what anyone says, color is a factor.


I agree.  Track has always been a techy brand.  When Track was in its hayday they had techy nerdy bowlers as well as bowlers looking for a good ball.  Problem is now they are alienating more and more bowlers.  Think about it if a guy walks in and has no clue about this naming system they are not going to make a new customer.  Serious techy bowlers are shrinking, and just because this is a serious bowler company doesnt mean they are brand loyal due to a number naming system.  I have always had a soft spot for track, i just dont know how this is going to increase brand awareness...Yes it will make them different but when your chasing sometimes its better to blend in before you try to divert.  this could be a huge gamble.

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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2009, 10:44:20 AM »
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If the ball rolls nice and people strike alot with it who cares what the name is. Track is not marketing to the Rock-N-Bowl market. This is a ball company for serious bowlers. Serious bowlers care about performance and color. No matter what anyone says, color is a factor.


I agree.  Track has always been a techy brand.  When Track was in its hayday they had techy nerdy bowlers as well as bowlers looking for a good ball.  Problem is now they are alienating more and more bowlers.  Think about it if a guy walks in and has no clue about this naming system they are not going to make a new customer.  Serious techy bowlers are shrinking, and just because this is a serious bowler company doesnt mean they are brand loyal due to a number naming system.  I have always had a soft spot for track, i just dont know how this is going to increase brand awareness...Yes it will make them different but when your chasing sometimes its better to blend in before you try to divert.  this could be a huge gamble.


I don't think Track is trying to be like anyone else or as big as Ebonite. They have a small focus. If they catch the hot ball or ball line at the moment (i.e. The Cell) then great. I think if they wanted to be Ebonite or Storm they would have a full line of equipment, even low end.

When non-serious bowlers walk into my pro shop the first thing the do is look at colors and then ask what does this ball do. Even if the shelf talker is not under it. I have never had one league bowler say to me I don't like the name.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2009, 01:08:00 PM »
The balls are up on Track's Website. Go check them out!

http://trackbowling.com/products/c/balls
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2009, 01:38:51 PM »
they weren't kidding when they called the 9 series core the Lego, well it definitly looks like a Lego, kinda weird, but if it works, I will buy one.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2009, 01:57:44 PM »
I spoke with my DSM the other day and he told me how good this ball was in oil when he threw it, plus made a great move to the pocket. His words were when you throw the 930T it will be hard to get it out of your hands and you probably won't use for your UpRising's or Rising SE's to much anymore.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2009, 07:09:44 PM »
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they weren't kidding when they called the 9 series core the Lego, well it definitly looks like a Lego, kinda weird, but if it works, I will buy one.
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i guess if you call it LEGGO and not LEGO its NOT copyright infringement
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2009, 12:20:34 AM »
Britton,
Does your contract with Storm read that you must not only promote Storm/Roto Grip but bash all of the other brands that once gave you free equipment as well? Did you have to sharpen the knife they gave you to cut your own throat or did it come pre-sharpened? I wonder if Storm will renew your contract next year when they realize how little they are getting for their money.

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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2009, 05:08:25 AM »
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Britton,
Does your contract with Storm read that you must not only promote Storm/Roto Grip but bash all of the other brands that once gave you free equipment as well? Did you have to sharpen the knife they gave you to cut your own throat or did it come pre-sharpened? I wonder if Storm will renew your contract next year when they realize how little they are getting for their money.


Wow...i make one general statement about one ball company and this is what i get?  Give me a break...

Also - I'd love to see where im bashing these other brands...
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2009, 08:01:23 AM »
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aside from the 930's comparable reaction to the uprising since they have similar rg & diff #'s, I'm awaiting to see how the reactions of the 505 compares to the tantrum( execellent ball) although they definitely picked another odd color scheme.
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The 505C out performs the Temper and tantrum. The color scheme is also very similar to the old track Xception. The 505C for me reminds me alot of the Kinetic Energy with alot more finish at the breakpoint. I feel that this ball is so great it is the kind of ball everyone could find a spot for in their bag.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2009, 08:15:43 AM »
Did you see on tracks website the description of the spare ball
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2009, 08:42:30 AM »
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Did you see on tracks website the description of the spare ball
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Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.....
Beer for the man, white wine fruit based drink for the lady.
Lane 1 for the man, storm fruit smelling ball for the lady.....
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Billy Ray

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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2009, 11:51:38 AM »
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Those are the names.  That's going to be track's new naming system.
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...  Guess it's too late to rethink that one.



What's not to like?  I think it's an interesting idea to use a name that tells you what to expect from the piece.


I suppose.  I guess we'll just have to see what happens when they release.  I for one am not that fond at all of the "names" when I can see them on the spec sheet.  Ironic enough, it can be seen as a lack of creativity to not give them names, but yet creative to give them numbers.  It's all in how a person sees it.
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Re: 930T, 715A, and 505C
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2009, 02:02:38 PM »
Wow it took 8 hours for someone to see the spare ball description. I am shocked but it is good to see that people are reading all the material. Just needed to see.