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We have never seen anything like this...
« on: July 01, 2009, 06:02:29 AM »
I drilled up my first 930T this past Friday.  I opted to go 4x3x3.  The reaction shape of this piece is something that we haven't seen.  The ball picks up and reads the mids very well.  The shocker is at the bottom of the pattern...the ball flies off the spot.  The fact that there is no loss of energy with this cover is remarkable.  I suspect that this ball will out hook and out hit anything we'll see this year.  Those who bought Cells and Virtuals will forget that they ever owned them.  This very well could be the Ball Of The Year.

To the gang at the factory...I honestly think we've done it.  This is a grand slam piece.

Myself and other Staffers will be reporting back very soon with detailed reviews of the 930T.
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2009, 06:30:50 AM »
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I think I have seen this movie before,just another year.Each year we think we have never seen a certain ball reaction that is beyond belief.I just want everyone to get in their way back machine and, travel back in time to view these super, jaw dropping, never seen and never will again  mega monsters.                                                     1.1995 Columbia-Cuda/C    2.1996 Brunswick-Danger Zone   3.Faball -Hammer-3D                                           4.1996 Storm-Thunderstorm ,1996 Ball of The Year and one of the largest flaring balls ever made 8"plus .                                   5.1998 Storm- El Nino  6.2001 Track-EMB-XF  6.2004 Brunswick-Ultimate Inferno                                             7. Ebonite-The One  8. 2008  Roto Grip-Cell  9.2008 Storm-Virtual Gravity .Just want to say ,that when you think you have seen something different  in hook ,ball reaction and shape the ball takes on the lane ,think again.


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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2009, 05:10:10 PM »
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2009, 10:03:54 PM »
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has anybody seen Mike Wolfe throwing these balls on the show besides me?  I'm not saying these balls are bad but I have not seen him hit the 1-3 with the 715 or 930 yet!!  This past week the 930 went 60 ft.

Edited on 7/7/2009 8:31 PM


Not one of those shots was near his intended target> Nobody was getting the ball to hook from that part of the lane.
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2009, 10:40:33 PM »
Strider,

The ball does make quite a move off the spot.  I don't recall using "flippy" in the description.  For the layout, it is incredibly with no loss of energy at the bottom of the pattern.  This is what is so amazing about this piece.  So many other HMB pieces tend to quit or burn out quickly with agressive layouts when thrown too close to the friction.  I've had this particular 930T as low as 1000 and still have not seen the ball quit.
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2009, 09:34:45 AM »
Louis,

So you are telling me that Mike was playing the wrong part of the lane and no Track Guy tried to move him??

Or is it that maybe the ball wasn't reacting to what he thought as it seems others were able to be there and not have much problem in scoring??

Norm Duke was throwing the fast about the same area and that ball was money..

Just wondering?
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2009, 09:37:03 AM »
Another quick question...

If the 930T was MILES MORE THAN THE VIRTUAL...

Shouldn't it have been able to read the lane and make the move???

Just wondering still.....
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2009, 08:19:50 PM »
I am not trying to say anything. It seems like everyone wants to say the balls are not good because of three or four shots thrown outside in the sun in a gimmick event. Maybe one or two of the bowlers seemed to really make them look good. Even on Cheetah, the scores were far from great.

Form your own opinion. We are trying to have constructive conversations about bowling. I see several people who only post in this forum to start stuff.
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2009, 08:23:48 PM »
If you make a ball choice of what you saw in what all actually is a recreational event,  then that is just damn stupid.  

I'll say it.
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2009, 11:41:09 PM »
I haven't yet seen this particular telecast, but from this forum it sounds as though the ball never turned over. Was he using 930t & 715a or just one?
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2009, 01:26:11 AM »
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I haven't yet seen this particular telecast, but from this forum it sounds as though the ball never turned over. Was he using 930t & 715a or just one?
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He had a couple of good throws, but for the most part it did skid like no tomorrow.  I wouldn't use those shows to make my judgement on those balls though.
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2009, 02:48:54 AM »
Here is the thing that gets me and why I have strayed away from Track and the forums for a while (used to throw nothing but Track a few years ago)...

It seems like it is becoming the Mini Lane 1 type forum. Meaning that the staffers say how great the stuff is and tell us how much ball this is and that it out hooks so and so by miles and such and really don't give us any useful information like oh ....a video or two to compare.  

Then when the ball is used and it doesn't live up to the hype that the staffers have thrown out there (this weekend's show being a great example), they make up the excuses or take it personally.

The point is, until we get to see videos of the ball and in comparison to other balls and not just the oh man the 905 will outhook everything, minimize transition, cook you dinner and drive you home from the bowling center.....


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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2009, 06:16:07 AM »
He was using both balls and the 715A skids alot but the overall motion looks angular like the Kinetic and Power Machine. 930T he threw a few good shots with it. It's probably better to wait until Buddies or someone else makes a full video of the two to get a good look at how they roll.

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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2009, 07:21:38 AM »
Just because it hooks alot its automatic the BOTY?
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2009, 12:00:54 PM »
Absolutely not azus.  Things like continuation of the 930T at the deck is what helps one achieve BOTY.
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Re: We have never seen anything like this...
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2009, 08:07:19 PM »
If you look at the videos mike was throwing a 930T shiny with a pin left of his middle finger around 7 inches from axis to get it down lane before it started flaring. Mike only had the balls a day and didn't have time to experiment or talk to me about the layouts he used. I have drilled several in testing and have used everything from delayed reaction on them to 360 grit.
The ball is very versatile in its drillings and what it will do with different surfaces.

Any ball is subject to the drill pattern and surface prep. Mike's were too shiny with the pin too far from axis on what they were bowling on. If he had hit the ball with 2000 to knock some of the polish off you would have seen a lot different reaction and he would have had some area. Most of the staffers are trying to help people understand the new product so you can make an informed decision about it. We are a nich company that is in the process of regaining our market share so you will not see our balls in every proshop.

 Most league bowlers don't know that a good percent of proshops have contracts with a bowling company to stock their product and can only give a small part of its shelf space to other companies. Sometimes that means that they can't carry certain companies balls at all because it states that in their contract. The reason they do this is for discounts on all their product so they can make more profit.

 I have tested every manufacture's balls in the last year and I can state that the 930T is a bigger ball than the Virtual Gravity for a fact. The reason that Storm dominated the shows on tour is because there was almost no oil on tour last year and their coverstocks are the weakest of any major manufacturer.

Storm makes some really good product and I liked several of the balls I tested but I think our product is superior that is why I am on Track Staff.


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