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Beef STL

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Consider this a warning for the bowlers out there with a PBA card going to nationals wanting to do the 40 frame game.

So, myself and a small group went up to Sam's Town yesterday to bowl the 3 PM squad of the 40 frame game.  3 out of 4 of the people going are PBA members. As we reserved, we were told we had to be there by 2:15.  

Before I left for nationals, a lot of people told me if I do any side tournaments, I should do the 40 frame game, so I was pretty excited.  So, I start to read the rules while waiting to check in and they have the rule updates posted pretty big, so I saw at the bottom of them that if you are a PBA/PWBA member, you must inform the tournament officials before you bowl.  

I just figured this means that we'd bowl scratch, no big deal.  I proceed to go to the tournament official doing check in and asked what the deal was with informing them that we're PBA members.  He proceeds to tell me that "if you're making a living off of bowling, you won't be able to bowl the tournament."  Fair enough.  I've bowled 7 PBA events in my lifetime (but only one since I've gotten my card) and have cashed in 4 of them (did not cash in the one since I joined).  My friend that I bowl with has bowled in 9 events and cashed in one.  

So, the guy says that we would have to wait for the official tournament director, who would be there in less than 10 minutes.  We proceed to wait, hoping for some kind of rule outline or something stipulating what the qualifications are for PBA members to bowl the 40 frame game.

The official tournament director shows up and we ask for clarification of the rule.  It was basically a "tell me the number of tournaments you've bowled and how many you've cashed in and I'll think about it, make up a rule on the spot, and let you know if I think you're too good to bowl the tournament."  So I tell him I've cashed 4 of 7 PBA events I've bowled and that I've only bowled one tournament since I've gotten my card and didn't cash.  He then thinks about it for a second and he says "ehhhh, this is more of a fun tournament, we don't want pros coming in to ruin it for everyone."  ... So then he asks my friend, who says he's cashing in one tournament out of the 9 he's bowled...

1/9 is too much for them, too.

Ok, we're making a living off of bowling going 4/7 and even 1/9.

I'm not upset, I totally understand the rule, or lack there-of.  I would just like to see this more outlined/INCLUDED in the rules next year and not have it be a procedure where you tell a number to a guy and he determines if you're "too good" and that we would make it "Not fun" for the other people bowling.  

A funny sidenote is that later I informed him I only booked 210 last year, and he reveresed his decision on the spot and said only I could bowl.  This is another example of why I'm posting this.  These people don't even have their own rules outlined and they make up rules on the spot.

So, just as I opened with, consider this a warning if you're planning on having a fun outing with some friends if you've got your PBA card.
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2009, 02:02:46 PM »
I am a PBA member and have cashed and made matchplay and numerous events, they let me bowl.  This is my 2nd year bowling in it, and last year I cashed VERY nicely and probably will again this year.  So jajajajaja for being a THS superstar with a PBA card.

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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2009, 02:12:49 PM »
Not very Nice Nose!  Adding to ignore for being a db.
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2009, 02:19:14 PM »
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Not very Nice Nose!  Adding to ignore for being a db.
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2009, 02:27:42 PM »
His history aside, it was a post about the PBA member ambiguity and not about his worthiness to be a PBA member.  Kindly put me on ignore.
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2009, 02:32:14 PM »
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His history aside, it was a post about the PBA member ambiguity and not about his worthiness to be a PBA member.  Kindly put me on ignore.
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Actually it was a post Whining about how he didn't get to bowl until he said he only averages 210.  It clearly states in the rules that its upon tournament officials discretion for EVERYONE.  No need for me to use the iggy list, I enjoy "hearing" from everyone.

Edited on 6/18/2009 2:34 PM

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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2009, 03:32:58 PM »
You should have thought about the consequences before paying to join the "Im a good bowler club" otherwise known as the PBA.  The "P" stands for "Professional"....it is your declaration that you are good enough to not be an amateur anymore.

I was a member in 2002 and 2003...and I was just like you...had marginal success.  By joining you are saying that you aren't a casual bowler anymore.
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 03:36:37 PM »
Actually guy, I didn't even whine about it, he asked ME later what my house average was, when I informed him.  THS superstar? ok, 210 isn't really a THS superstar in my eyes, so I guess I should take that as a compliment.  This whole post is just a warning to PBA members that before they make the drive to Sam's Town, which was a pretty good drive for us, that they might not be able to bowl.  

The responses just show what ballreviews has turned into, so people reading this post, read the original post, not most of the responses, since they're just internet-based cheap shots at me that I could really care less about.  

Cashing 4 of 7 events I've bowled isn't really a reasonable "FIGJAM" in my eyes.  A lot of people have better records than that and a lot more cashes.  

Nose, just hope that they let you bowl this year.  Even though I agree with UG that your comments came off pretty "db"-ish, this thread is directed at people like you that got to bowl it last year.  I just hope that this thread doesn't cause people to lie about their stats just to manipulate the tournament.

Harry, tell me where any rules are posted at.  I couldn't find anything about most of the side tournaments being held out here online.  usbcopen.com is pretty much useless.  FIGJAM my cashes roughly 700 times?  I said it three times in the post, all I feel in instances where they needed to be stated.  Take it as a FIGJAM if you want.

Frankie, no need to respond to you.  You're just trying to make it personal.  Have a good day.
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 03:37:57 PM »
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You should have thought about the consequences before paying to join the "Im a good bowler club" otherwise known as the PBA.  The "P" stands for "Professional"....it is your declaration that you are good enough to not be an amateur anymore.

I was a member in 2002 and 2003...and I was just like you...had marginal success.  By joining you are saying that you aren't a casual bowler anymore.


Russell, as I stated in my original post:

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I'm not upset, I totally understand the rule, or lack there-of. I would just like to see this more outlined/INCLUDED in the rules next year and not have it be a procedure where you tell a number to a guy and he determines if you're "too good" and that we would make it "Not fun" for the other people bowling.

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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 04:03:15 PM »
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Not very Nice Nose!  Adding to ignore for being a db.



You could have at least come up with a better reason to add him to ignore.. Come to think of it, I could help
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2009, 08:04:26 AM »
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You should have thought about the consequences before paying to join the "Im a good bowler club" otherwise known as the PBA.  The "P" stands for "Professional"....it is your declaration that you are good enough to not be an amateur anymore.

I was a member in 2002 and 2003...and I was just like you...had marginal success.  By joining you are saying that you aren't a casual bowler anymore.


Russell, as I stated in my original post:

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I'm not upset, I totally understand the rule, or lack there-of. I would just like to see this more outlined/INCLUDED in the rules next year and not have it be a procedure where you tell a number to a guy and he determines if you're "too good" and that we would make it "Not fun" for the other people bowling.

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Not buying it...if you are taking the time to post it on here you are a little miffed about it.  I'm by no means saying this is a figjam....just that you joined the organization and now have to deal with the discrimination that comes with it.
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2009, 08:15:33 AM »
rule 13 of the entry sheet says

13. Any members of the PBA, past PWBA, and any other bowler the tournament commitee deems to be "professional" will not be permited to enter this tournament.

and rule 14 clearly states they can reject or re-rate any bowler they choose


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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2009, 02:46:08 PM »
Not necessarily.
I believe you can still bowl them after you've cashed twice in a year if you decline to take the money (i.e. Andrew Koff.)
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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 02:59:38 PM »
Beef as I stated, I have already been out there this year and they DID allow me to bowl again.  Just wanted to clear that up.  Also why not add in something about the Bowler's Journal having a seperate division for those that are PBA members with a lot less money on top?

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Re: Just a warning to those planning on doing the 40 frame game
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2009, 03:06:55 PM »
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Not necessarily.
I believe you can still bowl them after you've cashed twice in a year if you decline to take the money (i.e. Andrew Koff.)
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This is true bass.  Although in somes defense who, other than a jr., would decline the money if they cashed.
Now as for Roglen, as a PBA member MOST tournaments do not allow you to bowl these days, so you truly SHOULD be checking the rules for that specific rule.