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Cranking_Inferno

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AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« on: June 09, 2006, 09:24:27 AM »
Does the Centaur Partical outperform all heavy oil balls, be it reactive resin or partical?

If there are any balls better, please specify here.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2006, 05:30:49 PM »
From what I have heard the AMB particle is indeed the ball of all heavy oil balls, thing about it is that you have to bowl on the alantic ocean to keep it in play.  But in oil you want more "roll" than "hook" so my votes go to the total shock and awe and the epic battle
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2006, 05:31:34 PM »
i would say the epic battle would out perform it, one person i know personally made the switch from centaur partical to Epic Battle and said nothing bad about the Centaur just that the Epic battle just outperformed it
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2006, 05:40:52 PM »
Epic Battle is light load 1% partical too... Centaur is high load, so the EB must truly have a strong core and great coverstock.

Keep em coming guys.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2006, 06:17:49 PM »
It is not so much that it outperforms, but it definitely offers the most hook in heavy oil conditions.  Personally, I think the particle load is too heavy.  Out of the box, it just wants to hook as soon as you let it go.  I even drilled it for a person who has axis tilt and 20 mph ball speed and on a 42 foot pattern with heavy oil in the middle, he was able to stand at 25, play at 12 out to 5 and get it back to the pocket.  With this ball on the right conditions, I cant see how this ball doesnt offer the most performance on the heaviest conditions.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2006, 06:28:20 PM »
Usually when people say "outperform" it means they shot a higher score with (xxx) ball.  Until I see otherwise, there isn't anything that will hook in the heaviest of oil on the market, except for the AMB Particle.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2006, 06:51:44 PM »
EPX-T1.  I threw mine against my AMB Centaur Particle on a broken down, very heavy oil condition and the Centaur didn't even wrinkle.  Straight as an arrow.  I was disappointed because I had heard that the Centaur was a great heavy-oil particle ball, it was supposed to be a real big hooking ball.

But my EPX-T1 revved up real well and had a nice hard arc to the pocket.

And the best part was that after 50 games, the Centaur was dead but the EPX-T1 just got a hot water bath and its reaction was like new.

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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2006, 06:55:13 PM »
shelley,

How is your AMB drilled?  I am shocked you are not getting yours to hook.  Granted, I am a high rev player, but I cant keep mine right of the head pin on a 42 foot pattern.  Just curious.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2006, 06:58:00 PM »
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after 50 games, the Centaur was dead  


That seems unusual for a Visionary ball.  I've put over 100 games on both the Midnight Scorcher and the Granite Gargoyle and havent noticed any loss of performance.  Of course I do clean and soak the balls regularly.  I only have about a dozen games on the AMB CP because there isnt enough oil on our local lanes to use it.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2006, 10:20:31 PM »
drrev,

I believe I drilled that AMB Particle pin under ring and the cg stacked underneath it with no weight hole.  I remember he had a 4 3/4 inch span.  The ball had a 2.5-3 inch pin but cant remember the top weight.  With his ball speed, I wanted to make sure the ball hooked for him so with the axis tilt he had (which he had medium tilt), I put the pin down to give him help on the longer pattern.  Out of the box (320 grit), the ball was actually too early even with his ball speed.  I sanded up to 2000 abralon and the ball shined.  The ball started to read the lane at about 30 feet and just had a strong continuous arc from there.  It was way stronger than a GP2 and Arsenel Aggressive he possessed.  The GP2 he got used from a friend and it was drilled pin above ring with the cg stacked, which I did not drill.  The Arsenel Aggressive was drilled identical to the AMB and it was, for him, about 10 feet longer than the AMB before it rolled up.  What was great for him, is that with the AMB, he could play right up 10-12 and the oil would hold the line, but could lose it out to 6-7 at the breakpoint and it would roll up into the pocket.  A ball that created area for a guy with 20 mph ball speed off his hand with only about a 275-300 rev rate with a little bit of axis tilt.  I do not remember his exact PAP, but I believe it was in the 4 1/4 - 4 3/8 area.  He was elated to say the least.  The most impressive part of this ball, was that even for as early as it wants to read the lane, it does not sacrifice hitting power unless the heads are fried.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2006, 10:47:11 PM »
I'm I the only person on this website that understands the joke that Shelley is playing with all of you whenever Cranking Inferno asks about the hook potential of a ball?

I think it's freakin hilarious
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2006, 10:54:01 PM »
Now DJ, don't go and spoil the fun...
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2006, 11:06:59 PM »
ak57,

Too late.  I have already been informed.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2006, 01:21:53 AM »
drrev,

I was looking at your profile.  You have some stellar numbers.  I cant imagine having 17 300 games with stuff drilled to roll like crap.  My question, is what types of layouts have given you the best look on the lanes?  Are you struggling with looks in general or just a curiosity with the AMB Part?  

To answer your question, I believe that the VMB was just below the thumb hole on the center line.  What you have to remember is that the more you shift the VMB towards the PAP, the more unstable you make the core.  MB in the track will help to smoothen out the reaction.  The more you shift it towards your PAP, the quicker and more aggressive your reaction will be.  With you having a 3.5 inch PAP, drillings like pin under fingers, either under the bridge or even pin under middle finger for length will probably give you the best looks.  Depending on how aggressive a reaction you want, keep the MB on the center line or within an inch of it and you should be fine.  The only time you should have the MB on the negative side of the ball is if you are looking to control the breakpoint.
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Re: AMB Centaur Partical... Strongest Heavy oil ball?
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2006, 07:06:31 PM »
Storm8300 ... Just curious about strong assymetric particals.... EPX-T1 is discontinued and who knows how long mine will be this good for... just in case
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Currently in the 6 ball roller:
14lb. EPX-T1 - Stacked  - Heavy oil
14lb. Action - Stacked - Heavy/Medium oil
14lb. New Standard - Stacked - Medium oil
14lb. Absolute Inferno - 1:30 - Medium oil
14lb. Sahara - 11:50 Length - Medium/dry oil
14lb. XXXL - Stacked Leverage - Light oil