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Nor Cal Bowler

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Immortal Solid question...
« on: November 30, 2008, 02:08:02 PM »
Has anyone had any success with this ball on synthetics? No matter what i set the coverstock to this ball just wants to slide all the way down the lane.

Its very confusing on why it does that....
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2008, 08:14:48 PM »
I just took some pics of it so I will upload and post them here in a bit...
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Do you happen to have pics of the two immortals?? I'm going to try moving more inside with the ball and see how that works. Maybe its just burning out for me and I need to get more into the oil with it and thats what my problem is.

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how is yours drilled Matt?

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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2008, 08:32:49 PM »
Here is how mine is drilled...



I screwed up on the plug job on the fingers
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Edited on 12/1/2008 9:34 PM

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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2008, 09:20:53 PM »
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Here is how mine is drilled...



I screwed up on the plug job on the fingers
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Edited on 12/1/2008 9:34 PM

present drill looks like a pretty strong layout..

what was up with the first drill.. did you throw that..
looks closer to my layout..except the pin is below the fingers as opposed to above..
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2008, 09:22:49 PM »
I bet its rolling out, with the low pin, guessing a shorter distance, and the Mb way over. I didnt like the solid, but have found a great ball in the pearl @ 4000 abr. Like Charlest said these things flare HUGE. My pearl comes to the VAL.

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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2008, 09:34:29 PM »

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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2008, 09:36:32 PM »
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I bet its rolling out, with the low pin, guessing a shorter distance, and the Mb way over. I didnt like the solid, but have found a great ball in the pearl @ 4000 abr. Like Charlest said these things flare HUGE. My pearl comes to the VAL.

I thought that too.. but that would mean the ball is rolling end over end right?? mine was still rotating sideways.. just never moved.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2008, 09:57:30 PM »
JMO..but both your balls are pin down meaning early roll and ball with that amount of flare can not cover a large amount of boards across the lane without burning out.   You can play a tighter line with a lot of speed but I just think both these balls are drilled too strong for the conditions you're bowling on.

IMO....the IS is a condition specific ball as will be the New Breed Solid.  Most of us just don't see that amount of oil.   See Stephen's reviews on the NBS.

I just think that is why most of us will be using balls like the New Breed Pearl like many used the Immortal Pearl rather than the Solid.  

For more info. see what I did last week in the Good Scores topic on this forum.  I played a tight line with a weaker drilled IS and scored well.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2008, 10:08:20 PM »
scotts33,
The house that I shot the Vid in is known to be on the dry side and the cover was at grey pad and no polish the house that I'm at now has more oil and I've tried different colored pads with polish and no polish and could not find a happy medium with the cover.

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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2008, 10:32:10 PM »
If I was too drill another IS for my stats.  I'd drill it pin over ring about 4.75" pin to PAP and CG stacked straight down about a 90 deg. layout.  For me it would get some decent length with enough recovery but no early roll or burn.  Why I'd lay out this way would be for some strength left too long a pin to PAP would not give enough recovery for a tweener or fluffer. Pin down would read too early for most lane conditions and most players.  

Like I said the IS is condition specific....I believe too many people are using the IS laid out wrong for the wrong condition but that's just me.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2008, 10:40:41 PM »
scotts33,
What condition would you use it on? I'm a high rev player on wood this ball is money but on synthetics this ball is anything but money.

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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2008, 10:44:27 PM »
Synthetic with what lane condition on them?  What type of synthetic?  How old?  What do you score with when the IS won't work?  Trajectory? Your stats?
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2008, 10:58:09 PM »
scotts33,
I would say a THS but I can find out for sure on wednesday not sure what type or how old the synthetics are. I would stand with my left big toe on 26 looking 15 at the arrows to around 7 at the break point. I do pretty well with my Blue Nanodesu (I think its particle pearl) or my Pearl Blue Carbide Buzzsaw.

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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2008, 12:06:16 AM »
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If I was too drill another IS for my stats.  I'd drill it pin over ring about 4.75" pin to PAP and CG stacked straight down about a 90 deg. layout.  For me it would get some decent length with enough recovery but no early roll or burn.  Why I'd lay out this way would be for some strength left too long a pin to PAP would not give enough recovery for a tweener or fluffer. Pin down would read too early for most lane conditions and most players.  

Like I said the IS is condition specific....I believe too many people are using the IS laid out wrong for the wrong condition but that's just me.
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that is almost how mine is.. still doesn't work.. 5 inch pin to pap.. pin over and to right of ring ringer about 1 inch.. mb.. directly underneath it to the right of the thumb at a 70 deg drill angle.
great down and in ball.. don't swing it or it won't come back.
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Re: Immortal Solid question...
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2008, 08:12:43 AM »
My Immortal Solid:

http://www.bowl4money.com/images/balls/Immortal%20Solid.gif

PIN to PAP: 5"
Drill Angle: 65 degrees
VAL Angle: 40 degrees

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    Re: Immortal Solid question...
    « Reply #30 on: December 02, 2008, 08:15:02 AM »
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    My Immortal Solid:

    http://www.bowl4money.com/images/balls/Immortal%20Solid.gif

    PIN to PAP: 5"
    Drill Angle: 65 degrees
    VAL Angle: 40 degrees

    Coverstock: 2000 Abralon w/light factory polish

     


    That's how I'd drill one for my stats.
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