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roaddogg

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PBA Approved
« on: September 13, 2006, 02:09:24 AM »
Does anybody know if Visionary will be approved for use thru the PBA this year
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Re: PBA Approved
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2006, 11:35:34 PM »
I tryed out a "Frankie May" Gryphon at the trade show in NJ. It was great. I was going to leave with 2 until i found out it wasn't registered.
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roaddogg

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Re: PBA Approved
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2006, 08:23:26 AM »
I would also throw Visionary Equipment if they were registered. There are more people out there then they think that feel the same way.
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Re: PBA Approved
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2006, 08:45:29 AM »
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I would also throw Visionary Equipment if they were registered. There are more people out there then they think that feel the same way.


I would add myself to this list. The AMB Particle is one of the best heavy oil balls out there. But as an average Joe Bowler, how often will you find conditions that require this? Not many. So you are investing in a ball that you may only throw once a year at Nationals or maybe 2-3 times a year at most. The times I would throw it are at PBA regionals, which I can't since they aren't registered. I read Dave's report on the price to register. While I agree it doesn't make much financial sense to do so, I think there is another consideration. Maybe this type of investment could be added into an advertising budget. While it is correct that you may not see your ball on TV a lot, how much bad press are you getting on forums like this by not having your equipment registered? Now is that true for all small companies, no. I do not know anything about Dave's equipment and it might not be worth it for him. But Visionary is a big enough company where it could make a difference. While Dave is also correct that the public may not know what ball a regional winner throws, but the bowlers do. The bowlers that missed the cut and missed match play, they will know. And while you may not make up your investment, that kind of advertising, would be worth the difference added to the fact that you remove the negative stigmas of not being registered.

These statements come from a bowler, not a bowling ball manufacturer. Dave's comments are very good and very genuine. I want to take nothing away from them. Just another way to look at the investment from my perspective. Thanks.
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Re: PBA Approved
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2006, 11:44:13 AM »
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Why would a company NOT register with the PBA??


Did you not read the other posts?  h82b2nd28's reply broke it down pretty well.  You'd have to increase your ball sales by at least the registration amount to recoup the expense.  Most have said that showing a ball on TV doesn't increase it's sales much.
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Jorge300

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2006, 04:05:54 PM »
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Why would a company NOT register with the PBA??


Did you not read the other posts?  h82b2nd28's reply broke it down pretty well.  You'd have to increase your ball sales by at least the registration amount to recoup the expense.  Most have said that showing a ball on TV doesn't increase it's sales much.
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Strider,
   hate to do this to a fellow Penn Stater, but I think you are blwoing off the question a bit to easily. In my previous post I asked Dave's opinion on something very similar to this question. While I understand the pure financials of the arrangement as Dave explained them and what it would take to recoup those dollars. But I think there is more to it then that. There is the negative stigma of not being registered with the PBA that could effect balls sales (I am speaking mainly of a company like Visionary, not Dave's which seems like a smaller company still, sorry if I am wrong Dave). I for one would not buy an AMB Particle because i can't use it at regionals. So the only time I would throw it would be Nationals. The idea is that a ball on TV doesn't generate enough extra sales, but the how many sales does not having it registered prevent? I think that needs to be added to the equation.

The question was asked who knows what ball the last regional winner threw. Not the average bowler, but the players in the regional field do. If there are 7 regions, with about 2-3 tournaments a month ( based on my SW region schedule)that anywhere for, 168-252 tournaments a year. That's a lot of exposure. And if someone wins a regional or two throwing a certain ball, more of them are sold. Again, I'm looking at it from a little different view. I respect Dave's view and realize he is running a successful ball company and I am not, so I may be simplifying this way too much. But its just MHO.
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roaddogg

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Re: PBA Approved
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2006, 07:44:15 PM »
h82b2nd28 You also have to add in the profits from joe bowler too. Not only are the regional players looking at the ball that wins the bowlers that are there watching looks at it too. Now how many balls will sale. Also when appoved by the PBA it will bring in more sales just because of that. People will feel like that company is for me cause the pros use them. (Just like Nike, or any thing that pro althletes use or wear)Look at what happened to Morich after people saw the Ravage win the Masters. That company was pretty small also. They were not fully registered until that year. Now it seems like they are getting bigger and better every year.
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joe 26

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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2006, 08:35:27 PM »
Once the regional players buy the ball. They bring it to their leagues, then the average bowler sees the ball.
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2006, 11:07:36 PM »
this a a quote right form the visionary page


.......Unfortunately, due to the recent format change and the price increase in registration fees, Visionary Bowling Products LLC has decided not to participate in the PBA program for the 2005-2006 season. This decision was not taken lightly and was neither anticipated nor desired.
.......Our corporate goal has always been to serve the bowling public with high quality, high performing bowling balls at an affordable price. In order to maintain these goals, and continue serving bowlers and pro shops with the same commitment and price structure that they have become accustomed to, we felt the only option was to temporarily step away from the PBA. We understand that this decision is not going to be popular with bowlers that participate in the Regional, Senior or National PBA Tour, and we sincerely apologize for any inconveniences that it may cause.
.......Visionary would also like to reiterate that our equipment has been, and will continue to be approved for ABC, WIBC, YABA, and USBC sanctioned events, including all leagues and tournaments that are not governed by the PBA. Bowlers who do not participate in the Regional, Senior or National PBA Tour, will in no way be effected by this decision.
.......At Visionary we truly appreciate all of our loyal customers, and want to thank you for your continued support. If there is anything that we can do to assist you in the future, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Jason Wonders
Visionary Bowling Products


that sums up this subject completely
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Re: PBA Approved
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2006, 08:43:30 AM »
What is the relationship between Banger Bowling and Visionary? If that connection was made in this thread, I apologize for missing it, but I didn't get it from reading the thread.
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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2006, 09:43:55 AM »
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What is the relationship between Banger Bowling and Visionary? If that connection was made in this thread, I apologize for missing it, but I didn't get it from reading the thread.


Visionary makes Banger's balls....I like that!    They also make InSite's balls also.

Much like Columbia makes DynoThane's or Storm makes RotoGrips.




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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2006, 12:12:01 PM »
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What is the relationship between Banger Bowling and Visionary? If that connection was made in this thread, I apologize for missing it, but I didn't get it from reading the thread.


Visionary makes Banger's balls....I like that!    They also make InSite's balls also.

Much like Columbia makes DynoThane's or Storm makes RotoGrips.




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Interesting, I'd never heard of them before....we'll have to see how their debut is received later this month.
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