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korkey299

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easy slide cheating?
« on: November 25, 2005, 04:31:54 AM »
i was bowling in a tournament a couple weeks ago and the approaches were sticky because nobody cleaned them, well i took out my easy slide and the woman taking scores is like you can't use that, its against the rules or whatever why is that?

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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2005, 12:35:57 PM »
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i was bowling in a tournament a couple weeks ago and the approaches were sticky because nobody cleaned them, well i took out my easy slide and the woman taking scores is like you can't use that, its against the rules or whatever why is that?


It alters the approach in a manner that creates a potential hazard for others...same basic rule as the do not deface the approach provisions.  There are other substitutes for easy slide that could have been utilized outside of the settee area without compromising the rules...
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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2005, 12:36:46 PM »
ya, the shoes i use now are crappy, dunlop something my mom bought them just cheap ones, she's gunna buy me the good dexter ones with removable souls to use

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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2005, 12:45:24 PM »
There is a specific rule regarding this in the USBC rule book.

In my last league session, the team we bowled against had a guy who was literally pouring the stuff into his thumb hole.  There was powder all over the approach from where it fell out of his thumbhole as he was setting up.  There was a huge patch from about 15 to 15 at 8 feet or so on the lane where it was coming out of the ball.  Because the stuff was all over the place, I couldn't stand up to save my skin.  Bloody shame, too, because I had a good line to the pocket in practice.

Still ended up shooting 707, though.
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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2005, 01:31:26 PM »
Technically it is not against the rules unless someone complains.  This is unless USBC has changed rule 12.  If someone thinks it is effecting them then they can complain to their league or tournament officials.  At that point they will be asked to stop using it immediately.  If they do not they violate another rule and risk having their sanction card pulled.  It is dangerous and more and more people are injured every year by not using it properly.  Many tournament and leagues just flat call it when they see you doing it.  Our company makes the best alternative to it and we watch this subject carefully.  There is nothing wrong with using EZ Slide if done correctly.  Problem is many people do not.  

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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2005, 01:48:48 PM »
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They also make a big deal over here about rosin, and puff balls.  Alot of people pat it on their balls around the holes for grip, and they complain about it here because they don't want that residue on the lane, and make you wipe it off..


You are supposed to wipe it off.  They've made that point several times on the TV show recently (possibly on ESPN Classic).

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2005, 05:28:49 PM »
One last time:
There is NO rule against Easy (EZ) Slide or any material like that.

The rule is against getting any material on the lane that can interfere with the slide or performance of any one else. They can B*tch all they want; it's still NOT against the rules. What is against the rules is getting it on the approach, which is Stupid to the Nth degree in any case.

All rosin or any other material (used to dry the bowler's hand or the finger & thumb holes) MUST be wiped off the ball AND not allowed to interfere with the bowler's slide or performance on the approach and not be alowed to interefere or provide extra traction of the ball on the lane.

period. end of story.

One cannot say that "he is using EZ Slide or talcum powder and must stop using it." It must be shown that he is allowing it to interfere with another bowler!
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Edited on 11/25/2005 6:20 PM
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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2005, 05:41:10 PM »
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One last time:
There is NO rule against Easy (EZ) Slide or any material like that.

The rule is against getting any material on the lane that can interfere with the slide or performance of any one else. They can B*tch all they want; it's still NOT against the rules. What is against the rules is getting it on the approach, which is Stupid to the Nth degree in any case.

All rosin or any other material (used to dry the bowler's hand or the finger & thumb holes) MUST be wiped off the ball AND not allowed to interfere with the bowler's slide or performance on the approach and not be alowed to interefere or provide extra traction of the ball on the lane.

period. end of story.

One cannot say that "he is using EZ Slide or talcum powder and must stop using it." It must be shown that he is allowing it to interfere with another bowler!
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Edited on 11/25/2005 6:20 PM


OK, Sherlock, what do you think happens when someone dabs that stuff all over their slide sole then steps on the approach?  It doesn't disappear.  It lingers, builds up, and eventually messes with the balance of someone like myself who went to the trouble of buying a pair of decent shoes instead of the most recent ball-of-the-week.

That is where the rule takes effect.  The existence of the stuff on YOUR shoe fouls up MY slide.  Therefore it IS against the rules.

End of story.  Period!


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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2005, 07:58:24 PM »
Here again this is where the rule is vague.  IF someone thinks they are being interfered with they can protest it. Intentional or not.  The league officers are to ask the person to stop.  If they do not stop they violate 2 rules.  EZ Slide is legal until you are requested to stop using it officially.  Many leagues and tournaments will have you stop and will not put up with it being used.  Many centers years ago banned the use of baby powder in the same manner.  Baby powder EZ Slide whatever change the name it is still something used for the same problem.  Once again there are other manners to solve this problem with out endangering fellow bowlers.  Interchangeable soles and heels, teflon pads and slide socks.  Also properly maintaining your shoes would help greatly.

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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2005, 08:21:44 PM »
Around here they dont want anything past the wall(we have walls,then a row of chairs,then the scoring machine,then lane)mopst people still do tho.I found a way to help you shoe is i use a wire brush,for me it works weither way(to slide or stick).I cant afofrd the Dexter shoes(SST's),so i use the brunswick(Dexter Rockey)shoes that you can get at your local kmart.
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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2005, 09:10:03 PM »
Approaches Must Not Be Defaced
Rule 12. The application of any foreign substance on any part of the approach that detracts from the
possibility of other players having normal conditions is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, such
substances as talcum powder, pumice and resin on shoes; also soft rubber soles or heels that rub off on
the approach. [CAQ #11]
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All that needs to be said.  I have stopped many that use the stuff while crossing with me.  Try using it at any USBC National tourney and it will be stopped immediately!  No one needs to complain they see it and it's kaput.  Don't even try bringing the stuff out.  

If you need more slide suggest one of Bob's slide socks cheap investment and you don't need new shoes.  Get one.
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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2005, 12:00:41 AM »
I don't see a problem with using EZ Slide as long as you make sure it's rubbed into the sole. Leaving any of the powder out where someone can step in it is pretty dangerous though.
I have Dexter SST6's and the interchangeable soles are pretty useless for me. Apart from the sole and heel I use, ANY other heel or sole I've tried is either way too fast or I stick. So if I need a little more slide I have no viable option except to use a little EZ slide rubbed into the sole.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2005, 12:12:55 AM »
what if someone use their normal shoes and bowl and make the approaches sticky but only affected 1 or 2 player! Don't leave any marks. How can one go about that? Can the affected bowler make him wear bowling shoe?
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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2005, 01:41:29 AM »
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One last time:
There is NO rule against Easy (EZ) Slide or any material like that.

The rule is against getting any material on the lane that can interfere with the slide or performance of any one else. They can B*tch all they want; it's still NOT against the rules. What is against the rules is getting it on the approach, which is Stupid to the Nth degree in any case.

All rosin or any other material (used to dry the bowler's hand or the finger & thumb holes) MUST be wiped off the ball AND not allowed to interfere with the bowler's slide or performance on the approach and not be alowed to interefere or provide extra traction of the ball on the lane.

period. end of story.

One cannot say that "he is using EZ Slide or talcum powder and must stop using it." It must be shown that he is allowing it to interfere with another bowler!
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OK, Sherlock, what do you think happens when someone dabs that stuff all over their slide sole then steps on the approach?  It doesn't disappear.  It lingers, builds up, and eventually messes with the balance of someone like myself who went to the trouble of buying a pair of decent shoes instead of the most recent ball-of-the-week.

That is where the rule takes effect.  The existence of the stuff on YOUR shoe fouls up MY slide.  Therefore it IS against the rules.
End of story.  Period!
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"The truth shall set you free."
Because you had one bad experience, the rest of the world can't use a valid, useful product  properly?

"None are so blind as those who will not see."
The existence of it on my shoe has NEVER, EVER fouled up anyone's slide or anyone mind.

Considering that I use teflon coated inserts in my shoes, if I can't slide, there damn sure is something wrong with the approach!
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Re: easy slide cheating?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2005, 03:30:30 AM »
I can't stand when people use easy slide on there shoes.  I don't care what you say charlest, maybe you don't bowl alot of tournaments, but when one person uses easy slide, and they are sliding in the same spot you are, it effects your slide big time and it's not fair to you. If you can't slide then get better shoes that can change the bottoms on them. I have bowled at bowling alley's where my biggest slipping soles weren't sliding and at alleys where my biggest stoppers were sliding, you just gotta adapt. But it is a great rule.

And to I got balls...The bowlers around here that bowl with regular shoes aka tennis shoes, all have special "bowling shoes" that they only wear when they bowl so they don't leave marks on the lane. Also even outside tennis shoes I have never seen leave any mark unless they stepped in water or something obviously, it's usually only like boots and stuff like that.
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