Author Topic: 2 Finger drill only static weight rules? (Read 3994 times)

johns811 · « **on:** September 30, 2009, 09:55:55 AM »

Hi, I can't find the link online. Isn't there special rules on the static weight for a thumbless 2 finger ball? A ball with just 2 finger holes?

J_Mac · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2009, 06:09:30 PM »

quote:
Balance:
The following tolerances shall be permissible in the balance of a bowling ball used in certified competition:
1. 10.01 pounds or more:
a. Not more than 3 ounces difference between top half of the ball (finger hole side) and the bottom half (side opposite the finger holes).
b. Not more than 1 ounce difference between the sides to the right and left of the finger holes or between the sides in front and back of the finger holes.
c. A ball drilled without a thumb may not have more than 3 ounces difference between the top half and bottom half of the ball.
d. A ball drilled without any finger holes or indentations, may not have more than 1 ounce difference between any two halves of the ball.
e. A ball used without any hole or indentations may not have more than 1 ounce difference between any two halves of the ball.

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JohnP · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2009, 09:51:48 PM »

I don't know where J_Mac found his information, but it's not correct according to the online USBC equipment specifications manual, link follows (and man, this was hard to find on the new USBC website).

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/04_2009_EquipSpecsManual_WEB.pdf

The pertinent information is found on P I-3 and is dated April, '09. The spec for 10 - 16 lb balls is:

c. A ball drilled without a thumb hole may not have
more than 1 ounce difference between any two
halves of the ball.

For 8 - 10 lb balls it changes to 3/4 oz. -- JohnP

J_Mac · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2009, 06:21:59 AM »

The information I posted is from the most recent version of the USBC Equipment and Specifications Manual. Page I-3 was updated in July of this year. Your link is out of date...

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/07_2009_EquipSpecsManual_WEB_2009.pdf

Not sure why there was a change made, but that is the rule as it stands now.
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JohnP · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:09:01 AM »

J_Mac -- My apologies, USBC needs to remove the link to the old manual from their site. Let''s see if I understand the regs on thumbless balls as currently written.

quote:
b. Not more than 1 ounce difference between the sides to the right and left of the finger holes or between the sides in front and back of the finger holes.

This section would govern side and finger/"thumb" weights, as it applies to all balls.

quote:
c. A ball drilled without a thumb may not have more than 3 ounces difference between the top half and bottom half of the ball.

This section would apply specifically to thumbless balls for top/bottom weights.

Am I correct on this? I have always recommended to my "thumbless" customers that we drill a thumb hole anyway because of the difficulty of meeting the 1 oz limit on top weight as was in the old manual. I may change that now. -- JohnP

Added on edit: The specs for lighter balls do change to 3/4 oz for the b. section and 2 oz for the c. section.

Edited on 10/1/2009 10:12 AM

J_Mac · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:04:07 PM »

JohnP - No need to apologize... face it, ever since the USBC decided to revamp bowl.com the site has left a lot to be desired.
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dukeblue87 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:38:43 AM »

Sweet, I don''t need to put random thumb holes in my ball anymore. Will make full roller trick drills much better =)
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Edited on 10/7/2009 10:39 AM

johns811 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:28:51 AM »

Plus you can probably get 2 different ball reactions out of the same ball by inverting it.

sunsetlefty · « **Reply #8 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:53:47 AM »

Based on how the USBC uses the center of the finger holes as the grip center to be used for checking static weights for thumbless layouts, I would think that, with a thumbless layout, it would be advantageous to use pin-in balls (0-1, or 1-2) as opposed to longer pin out balls. This would place the CG more near the finger area and make it easier to comply with statics.

Your thoughts?
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johns811 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 07, 2009, 12:54:57 PM »

The ball I drilled put the CG right between the fingers and the pin just about the ring finger. Turn it over and you get another ball pin below middle finger. Had short pin like you said.

dukeblue87 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:23:13 PM »

Inverting in the ball is an AWESOME idea... I'ved toyed with the idea a bit before. The only problem is difference in the sizes of my fingers. I would have to drill the fingers the same size and put tape in whichever hole the ring finger is using.
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