Author Topic: Super Carbide Bomb... Illegal!! Only 2005 Release for the moment (Read 18459 times)

htotheizzo3561 · « **on:** August 22, 2005, 02:32:15 PM »

ON bowl.com

http://www.bowl.com/specs/ballNonconforming.aspx http://
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jkiser01 · « **Reply #61 on:** August 23, 2005, 11:07:32 AM »

I think the USBC is going to play hardball on this one and use the SCB as an example. They have stated numerous times they where going to get tougher on ball specs and most of the ball manufacturers where thinking "yea right".. Well, now I think they have the ball companies attention and thats what they wanted.. This is just the first of the bans with more to come..

AS far as if they ban the original scb or the polished, I think they are both going to be banned. They are the same ball, one is just polished..
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Ragnar · « **Reply #62 on:** August 23, 2005, 11:12:50 AM »

Wrote Mr. Buzzsaw, waiting to see what he has to say about this.

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MegaMav · « **Reply #63 on:** August 23, 2005, 11:16:50 AM »

personally i think all particle balls should be banned.
it would be the first step in controlling technology's grip on the sport.
...and it damages the lane surface.
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Chazman819 · « **Reply #64 on:** August 23, 2005, 11:24:39 AM »

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I think the USBC is going to play hardball on this one and use the SCB as an example. They have stated numerous times they where going to get tougher on ball specs and most of the ball manufacturers where thinking "yea right".. Well, now I think they have the ball companies attention and thats what they wanted.. This is just the first of the bans with more to come..

AS far as if they ban the original scb or the polished, I think they are both going to be banned. They are the same ball, one is just polished..
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If they only made a ball that would carry that da_n 7 pin (and I am right handed!!)jkiser01

Well if the USBC bans the SCB then their integrity will be even further eroded since their own press release stated any previously approved balls would be grandfathered-in.

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This bowling ball specification, which can be found on page 13 of the Equipment Specification manual on bowl.com, changes the maximum RG Differential from 0.080 inches to 0.060 inches by Feb. 1, 2005.

"In more bowling-friendly terms, bowling ball flare and entry angle will be controlled," said USBC Senior Technician Jim Jaryszak, who is charge of bowling ball testing.

All bowling ball manufacturers have been notified of this change. Previously released balls that have been approved will remain approved (grandfathered in). Any re-release of a previously approved ball will have to be submitted for testing and meet the new specifications.

tricky part there is though does grandfathering apply to the Hardness spec? Let's go back to the original thought that this had something to do with that. If the original SCB fails that test,it would then be illegal. But, I can't see anything that says whether the grandfathering in also works for the hardness specs.
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Chazman819 · « **Reply #65 on:** August 23, 2005, 11:45:20 AM »

Ga1tor,

Looking back at what I wrote, I left something out. Here's what I meant: If in fact the SCB did fail, maybe Lane 1 submitted their test results early, then possibly USBC put it up there now as to try to keep people from buying it knowing it would be banned in 5 months. That's possible. Again, if the grandfathering clause does not apply to Hardness specs.

Likely? Probably not. Because if that was the case, then the polished would also have to be banned and that is not listed.

Something is VERY weird here. Hopefully we'll find out ASAP, because right now, all we have are ideas. We've got everything from the hardness of the original, to the polished being a new ball. It is very peculiar that it was all of a sudden placed on the ban list when the polished is being released.
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The Dark Jedi Code
There is no peace, there is anger.
There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

F.O.S. Sith Lord - Darth Saw

Steven · « **Reply #66 on:** August 23, 2005, 11:47:39 AM »

IEQ: I've had my new Polished SCB for about a week -- I have maybe 5 games on the ball.

Given everything going on with the USBC, I had a queasy feeling about buying the new SCB. But the "What's Next" link on the Lane#1 site clearly says the ball is approved by the USBC, so I went ahead because I was in need of a new heavy oil ball. And the Polished SCB is sweet.

We'll have to see how this all falls out over the next few days. I trust that if the Polished SCB turns out to be USBC illegal, then Lane#1 will take care of those of us who made early purchases.
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Chazman819 · « **Reply #67 on:** August 23, 2005, 11:53:13 AM »

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Steven,

I fail to see where the USBC makes the distinction where the SCB/Polished SCB are any different. Currently as the USBC has it, all SCB's are illegal, even the one that I used last year that was legal at the time.

This needs to get straightend out, quickly.

-IEQ
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Guess what?? I gotta a Fev-ah, and the only prescription...... is more cowbell.

that's the problem, right now none of us knows if this refers to the the original or polished, or both.
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The Dark Jedi Code
There is no peace, there is anger.
There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

F.O.S. Sith Lord - Darth Saw

MegaMav · « **Reply #68 on:** August 23, 2005, 11:59:16 AM »

IMO both, unless Lane #1 releases the serial number ranges for both balls.

how do we know that the PSCB is exactly the same as the SCB?

maybe thats what the USBC is saying.

what stops another company from slapping the same name on a ball and have it be different?

sounds outlandish i know, but look at the proposals that were around last month for CG and X-Holes...
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Combat Zone Tracer

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Time Zone (Undrilled)

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Lane #1

Uranium Pearl

H2O

Chazman819 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 23, 2005, 12:00:34 PM »

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quote:
Ga1tor,

Looking back at what I wrote, I left something out. Here's what I meant: If in fact the SCB did fail, maybe Lane 1 submitted their test results early, then possibly USBC put it up there now as to try to keep people from buying it knowing it would be banned in 5 months. That's possible. Again, if the grandfathering clause does not apply to Hardness specs.

Likely? Probably not. Because if that was the case, then the polished would also have to be banned and that is not listed.

Something is VERY weird here. Hopefully we'll find out ASAP, because right now, all we have are ideas. We've got everything from the hardness of the original, to the polished being a new ball. It is very peculiar that it was all of a sudden placed on the ban list when the polished is being released.
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The Dark Jedi Code
There is no peace, there is anger.
There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

F.O.S. Sith Lord - Darth Saw

Chazman819...I understand what you're saying. If Lane 1 did submit their test results early with the results placing it out of the range of the Moh's hardness test the USBC could have had a statment saying the SCB would no longer be an approved ball effective Jan 1, 2006. And I agree there is something very wierd going on.

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Super Carbide Bomb
Dirty Bomb
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Polished SCB

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Lane # 1...That's the name of the Game!!

but that would have been to easy to put that note in there

even that wouldn't explain the fact that there is no mention of the polished
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There is no peace, there is anger.
There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

F.O.S. Sith Lord - Darth Saw

Chazman819 · « **Reply #70 on:** August 23, 2005, 12:01:57 PM »

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what stops another company from slapping the same name on a ball and have it be different?

That's the thing, it's NOT different.
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There is no peace, there is anger.
There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

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Steven · « **Reply #71 on:** August 23, 2005, 12:28:04 PM »

IEQ: You're right -- there isn't a USBC distinction between the two SCB's. And I'm not trying to minimize the impact to my Saw brothers who own the original SCB.

There is just something fundamentally wrong here. I can't imagine Lane#1 re-releasing the SCB without the expressed approval of the USBC. There is too much cost involved given the risks of a premature release.

Regardless, I will not be a happy camper if the final answer turns out to be "tough luck, use the ball for practice". I can't imagine that Lane#1 will take that stand. My experience so far is that the company sets the industry standard for customer service. I expect the same here.
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Ragnar · « **Reply #72 on:** August 23, 2005, 01:02:11 PM »

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Anyone make contact with the powers that be at Lane #1 or the USBC?

-IEQ
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Our Team is proudly sponsored by Lane #1

We placed 1st during our trimester!!! Show me the money!!!!!!!

Guess what?? I gotta a Fev-ah, and the only prescription...... is more cowbell.

I sent a PM to Mr. Buzzsaw - no answer yet (only been about an hour).
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Chazman819 · « **Reply #73 on:** August 23, 2005, 01:05:18 PM »

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This makes it sound like it's the same ball as the SCB since the 15lb SCB also has a .071 differential. The SCB was the ball that was actually approved, not the Polished SCB. So if Lane 1 is saying the Polished SCB is the only 15lb ball approved by the USBC with a .071 diff, what are they trying to say about the SCB?
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Golden Nugget
XXXL
Cherry Bomb (2)
Uranium (2)
Super Carbide Bomb
Dirty Bomb
Hybrid Dirty Bomb (2)
Solid Uranium
Black Cherry Bomb
H2O (2)
Polished SCB

Offical Member of the FOS

Lane # 1...That's the name of the Game!!

I think...that the original SCB is going to be discontinued shortly...I think. That may be why the ad says that. Because it will be. I remember there was discussion about the SCB being discontinued shortly.

Whether or not that is the reasaon, I am not sure.

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There is no peace, there is anger.
There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

F.O.S. Sith Lord - Darth Saw

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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #74 on:** August 23, 2005, 01:08:35 PM »

In regular league how many people will ever check on you

? In mine people dont know plastic from reactive, hardly any even in the scratch league. So tournaments are out but i doubt any catches me ever in regular league, i hardly ever brought the ball because how much real heavy oil does most of us see???

I do think it is stupid just single out this ball and not all of the .071 core balls, it must be a hardness thing or particle load spec problem. I have stood on this ball with polish on high speed and it still comes out dull, it sucks the polish into the pores. Only ball not polish up easy i have ever owned so maybe the porous surface is the real problem with being too soft, my ball tracks up after just a game or two.

Chazman819 · « **Reply #75 on:** August 23, 2005, 01:11:22 PM »

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In regular league how many people will ever check on you ? In mine people dont know plastic from reactive, hardly any even in the scratch league. So tournaments are out but i doubt any catches me ever in regular league, i hardly ever brought the ball because how much real heavy oil does most of us see???

I do think it is stupid just single out this ball and not all of the .071 core balls, it must be a hardness thing or particle load spec problem. I have stood on this ball with polish on high speed and it still comes out dull, it sucks the polish into the pores. Only ball not polish up easy i have ever owned so maybe the porous surface is the real problem with being too soft, my ball tracks up after just a game or two.

from my understanding, this would apply to sanctioned leagues as well. What happens if you disregard the rule, and use the SCB and throw an honor score with it? You guessed it, no award for you.
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There is no fear, there is power.
There is no death, there is immortality.
There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

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