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Cranking_Inferno

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Coverstock all the way to the core?
« on: June 14, 2006, 06:54:54 PM »
I set my Action and New Standard side by side and looking at the weight hole i noticed 3/4 inches of coverstock on the action at best, and the NS went all the way down as far as i could see.

Are all LM/L's balls like this?  If so these balls are worth way more than we realize.

I am looking to eventually trhwo alot more LM/L balls.
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2006, 03:20:23 AM »
Yes, they are all like this. Notice Lm balls nearly always have a higher rg. This is because of having the cover go all the way down to the core, creating a very cover heavy ball.
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2006, 06:27:43 AM »
hmmm..I never knew this. I bet it would take alot to crack the cover on those. Anyone ever had a Legend/Lanemaster ball crack on them?

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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2006, 07:41:56 AM »
Tim,
 With that type of construction, as well as the high C.O.R. of these balls, I'd be willing to bet that you would really have to TRY and crack their coverstocks; oh, and to answer your question ... no, I've never heard of any "L/L" balls cracking (although I'm sure that is possible).
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2006, 08:15:09 AM »
I agree with "PR" ... from my own personal experience so far, the "wear and tear" that you would normally see in the track/flare areas of other equipment just doesn't show and isn't evident in my my "L/L" stuff; I clean them after every practice session and after league to maintain and inspect them ... it just amazes me !!!
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2006, 09:32:14 PM »
The cover stocks on these balls are exceptional.
They are made all the way down to the core, which, in my
opinion, gives these balls a hitting advantage over other
manufacturers that use "filler" material.  Also, the covers
don't require resurfacing as often.  Lastly, since they
don't rely upon absorption for hook, as do other balls, they don't
lose that new ball reaction as quickly or require as much
maintenance.  

If I have a complaint, it's that the NIB grain can sometimes
be difficult to remove.



Edited on 6/15/2006 9:30 PM

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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2006, 08:14:41 AM »
Bowljr300,
 As a pro shop owner, I'm sure that you're aware why ... the COR (Coefficient of Restitution on the "L/L" balls is so high. VERY durable !!!

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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2006, 09:17:48 PM »
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Bowljr300,
 As a pro shop owner, I'm sure that you're aware why ... the COR (Coefficient of Restitution on the "L/L" balls is so high. VERY durable !!!

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I've seen you mention the COR a few times.  I've never seen these numbers published for any ball.  I'd like to see what you claim to know.  BTW, the COR has more to do with how the ball hits the pins and how/how much it deflects.  A high COR is indeed a desirable quality, but it has nothing to do with coverstock longevity.
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2006, 09:23:25 PM »
Agreed.  I wasn't quite sure how he was equating the two, but just
assumed that he had misread my posting.  L/L balls typically have
quite a bit a grain in them and it takes some work to smooth the
surface.

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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2006, 09:28:42 PM »
C.O.R., or better known as coefficient of restitution, is the amount of energy returned to the pin as the ball contacts it.

 In basic physics, it is known that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. C.O.R. is just the number that tells us how much of the energy of impact is returned to the pin upon contact. The higher the number, theoretically, the higher the pin action due to the impartation of a higher percentage of energy returned.

 And as far as cover all the way down to the core, faball ( and I'm sure they weren't the only ones ) ) used to do this with all the old urethane hammers back in the day. Many ball makers soon followed suit.

  Now, ebonite has done a study of this very subject and has come to the conclusion ( or so the article I read said ), that thin coverstocks over a larger inner core lets the ball have a more consistent reaction and more carry properties due to improved angle of entry.

 I don't remember where I read the article, it was in a magazine down at the bowling center. I will look next time I'm there and see if I can find it. If so, I will post what magazine it was in.
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2006, 11:16:37 PM »
I misunderstood what I had been told in the past concerning the COR and I stand corrected; thanx for the reeducation.
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2006, 11:21:47 PM »
Here is the article that I believe that was referenced:

http://www.mybowler.com/Latest+News/1286.aspx
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2006, 12:43:23 AM »
Darn.  I was hoping to see some actual numbers posted.  I know all ball makers must test for this.  I wonder why they don't publish them?  Like any number such as rg, it doesn't mean everything, but it is another variable to see what might work for you.
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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2006, 07:46:57 PM »
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Darn.  I was hoping to see some actual numbers posted.  I know all ball makers must test for this.  I wonder why they don't publish them?  Like any number such as rg, it doesn't mean everything, but it is another variable to see what might work for you.
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I understand from som USBC reading that there's a limit to the COR. What that limit is and how it was arrived at is not known to me. I also would like to see the numbers for some balls.

Lanemasters/Legends says, somewhere in their publishings, that their balls have very high COR numbers, but they are not published that I am aware of.

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Re: Coverstock all the way to the core?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2006, 09:35:21 PM »
Because the coverstocks go all the way to the core, in order to make balls lighter than 16lbs., all the weight/density is take from the weight block/core.

Therefore, a 15lb. ball has a core that is 1 lb. lighter than a 16 lb. ball and a 14 lb. ball has a weight block that is 2 lbs. lighter. The more weight take out of the core, the less effect it has on the ball reaction.

So basically, a 14 lb. balls weight block/core has little impact on the ball reaction.

Lane Masters doesn't make balls lighter than 14lbs., because there won't be any weight/density to the core. =:^D