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Mighty Fish

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60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« on: August 18, 2013, 07:32:43 PM »
A bowler who has been an ABC/USBC member for more than six decades and has bowled in 55 national tournaments -- Paul Gustke of Sarasota, Fla. -- has some interesting comments about USBC and the direction of the modern-day game.

http://www.examiner.com/article/with-55-usbc-tournaments-under-his-belt-gustke-has-concerns-about-state-of-game
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2013, 04:22:35 PM »

Agree with some of his points, disagree with others.  I do think it cheapens the tourney to allow drinking while bowling.  However I see nothing wrong with giving a once in a lifetime award for 300's 800's etc.  I would like to see them give one really nice award for the first, similar to what we got back in the 70's.  I have two diamond rings for my first 2 300's.  That is one more than I need.  I have 13 800's, but didn't shoot my first till after they cheapened the rings.  I would trade all 12 of my subsequent awards for one nice 800 ring. 

I probably most strongly disagree with his opinion on publicizing the pattern for nationals.  First, it always gets out, and a certain percentage find out anyway.  It would also give guys who bowl later in the tourney an advantage by getting to see how the guy played the shot early.  When I hear someone say it gives too much advantage to the better bowlers, that sounds like an argument for doing something.  Maybe we don't want to reward people who practice and learn how to deal with different conditions. 

Bottom line, the guy is probably a nice guy and I admire his longevity in the game, but I don't think he knows any more about bowling than a lot of the local association guys who go every year, and still know almost nothing about the technical and competitive side of the game. 
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2013, 06:59:17 PM »
Long Gone Daddy, why don't you just MOVE ON out of these forums? All you do is bitch and complain and sometimes aim your venom at other forum members. MOVE ON yourself, chump.
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2013, 07:21:21 PM »
Get a life, stalker.  Nobody really gives a damn about your views, either about me or about the subject at hand.
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2013, 03:50:03 PM »
Dear Long Gone Daddy:

Do you have to lash out and/or insult anyone who doesn't agree with you 100 percent?

Can't you just accept that people have different views and opinions, and if you feel you have something to contribute to the discussion, aren't you able to do so without being so insulting toward those who may see things differently?

Obviously, I have referred to an ABC/USBC member for more than six decades AND a current local association president (who happen to have views similar to mind), and why can't you just accept the fact that we have those opinions without getting so defensive (while adding insults and name-calling to the mix)?

Have a good day.
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2013, 07:06:43 PM »
Quote from: Mighty Fish on August 21, 2013, 03:50:03 PM
Dear Long Gone Daddy:

Do you have to lash out and/or insult anyone who doesn't agree with you 100 percent?

Can't you just accept that people have different views and opinions, and if you feel you have something to contribute to the discussion, aren't you able to do so without being so insulting toward those who may see things differently?

Obviously, I have referred to an ABC/USBC member for more than six decades AND a current local association president (who happen to have views similar to mind), and why can't you just accept the fact that we have those opinions without getting so defensive (while adding insults and name-calling to the mix)?

Have a good day.

what you have to understand though is your constant degradation of ANYTHING the USBC does is annoying. You don't like the way things have been going? Fine. I think they are doing things in the best interest of the sport. It will not be like it was in the golden age ever again it will be a niche thing until people figure out how much fun leagues are and new golden age begins
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2013, 07:35:15 PM »
Quote from: Mighty Fish on August 21, 2013, 03:50:03 PM
Dear Long Gone Daddy:

Do you have to lash out and/or insult anyone who doesn't agree with you 100 percent?

Can't you just accept that people have different views and opinions, and if you feel you have something to contribute to the discussion, aren't you able to do so without being so insulting toward those who may see things differently?

Obviously, I have referred to an ABC/USBC member for more than six decades AND a current local association president (who happen to have views similar to mind), and why can't you just accept the fact that we have those opinions without getting so defensive (while adding insults and name-calling to the mix)?

Have a good day.

So typical of the Fishwrap.  Ignores all the other posters who are agreeing with me but turns a blind eye and zeroes in on what I say.  Amazing that I have that much of an affect on you.  But I digress.
It's really simple......MOVE ON!  As Mainzer said, your constant whining about the USBC is tiresome and annoying.  MOVE ON!  Take a load off your mind and stop obsessing over the USBC.  MOVE ON!  Put me on ignore and stop stressing over what I say and how I say it.  MOVE ON!
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2013, 09:37:42 AM »
mainzer, I don't always agree with everything that Fish says but in this case, you are criticizing him and focusing only on him instead of commenting about what he says that others, such as the 60-year USBC member and the association president said. It seems like you always try to criticize Fish instead of focusing on what he posts.
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2013, 09:42:33 AM »
Long Gone Daddy, like I just said to mainzer, you keep harping on Fish, but in this case, he is pointing out what a current local association president and a longtime USBC member have to say about USBC, so why don't you address what they said instead of just harping that fishwrap did this or keep saying that Fish is a hack writer? Are you saying that the association president and the oldtime bowler are full of it or are you just consumed with your vendetta against Fish?
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2013, 10:03:02 AM »
Quote from: On Further Review on August 22, 2013, 09:37:42 AM
mainzer, I don't always agree with everything that Fish says but in this case, you are criticizing him and focusing only on him instead of commenting about what he says that others, such as the 60-year USBC member and the association president said. It seems like you always try to criticize Fish instead of focusing on what he posts.

He is only taking stories that show negative aspects. Which i am gathering must be how he feels about the situation. I have never once seen him give props to the USBC it is all whine whine.

I am 29 i never knew a golden age of this sport but I love bowling to no end. Fish is older than I am and has seen a golden age and i am sure it was amazing. But he is stuck on it....or at least seems on reinventing it which simply will not happen anytime soon.

To Mighty Fish I do apologize if i come across as rude or disrespectful. Our opinions do not mesh and we are looking at the same thing from persectives that are far different. I cannot however agree with some of the issues you bring forth or this guy who the article is about brings fourth (i am gathering you must have similar views)

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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2013, 10:08:57 AM »
Quote from: mainzer on August 22, 2013, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: On Further Review on August 22, 2013, 09:37:42 AM
mainzer, I don't always agree with everything that Fish says but in this case, you are criticizing him and focusing only on him instead of commenting about what he says that others, such as the 60-year USBC member and the association president said. It seems like you always try to criticize Fish instead of focusing on what he posts.

He is only taking stories that show negative aspects. Which i am gathering must be how he feels about the situation. I have never once seen him give props to the USBC it is all whine whine.

I am 29 i never knew a golden age of this sport but I love bowling to no end. Fish is older than I am and has seen a golden age and i am sure it was amazing. But he is stuck on it....or at least seems on reinventing it which simply will not happen anytime soon.

To Mighty Fish I do apologize if i come across as rude or disrespectful. Our opinions do not mesh and we are looking at the same thing from persectives that are far different. I cannot however agree with some of the issues you bring forth or this guy who the article is about brings fourth (i am gathering you must have similar views)

Got some points I understand, and I'm only 32, so what I know of the "golden age" has come from stories and youtube, but being involved in our local board and watching what has happened over the years, USBC isn't doing a whole lot right at the current moment, at least not at face value.  I think they realize they let it get out of control, and instead of busting doors down and fixing things right now, which I think they realize will put us in a deeper hole, they're just staying quiet and under the radar while they build things back up.  I don't think big changes will happen, but what I've begun to see with what they're doing with youth bowling, coaching, Bowltv, etc, I think they're trying to quietly build a better future rather than radically change the present.  All these great youth bowlers are coming up that love the SPORT and want to do things the right way.  This generation of bowling will phase out, and a new generation will come in that will demand things a different way. 
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2013, 11:30:16 AM »
The ABC took even more heat in the 70's and 80's from bowlers than the USBC does today.   Lane conditioning rules of that era were ill conceived and extremely unpopular with the top end scratch bowlers.  In the late 70's 300 games were routinely disallowed in one association, that would have been passed in other associations.  Prior to the Limited Distance dressing rule ( a very bad rule ) the ABC mandated that oil had to be applied evenly gutter to gutter no matter what distance they opted for.

The disallowance of Glen Allisons 900 is certainly the most famous gaff on their part.  It seemed like the ABC was going over board in trying to protect records set before WWll.  The irony was that those records were set on lane conditions that in many cases were physically tracked to the pocket through the shellac finish used in the pre war era.  Allie Brandts 886 stood for 40 years.  Several years prior to Allisons series an 890 by Ray Orf of St Louis had been disallowed.  There was a running joke that an 885 series thrown by lefty John Wilcox missed being thrown out by 2 pins. 

I had an argument with an ABC official one time about high scoring.  When I pointed out the big scores of the Buds the guy said "those guys were great bowlers"  I said how do you know how great they were.  He said "look at the scores they bowled".

I once watched a tape of a Championship Bowling match between a very young Glen Allison, and veteran Ned Day circa 1955.  Day threw a looping figure 8 release full roller.  His follow through went across his body sometimes, was straight other times, but seldom the same twice in a row.  He rolled a 700 in the match on what appeared to be very dry lacquer.  Allison already had the beautiful strokers release at age 21.  He couldn't crack 600, and clearly wasn't bowling on the conditions he was seeing out in LA.   
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2013, 04:10:30 PM »
Find anything positive Fish has had to say about the USBC since he joined here.  Please, find just one.  Its the same act he carried on with at Bowl.com until they had enough of his nonsense and did something about it.
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2013, 05:32:04 PM »
Long Gone Daddy, come on, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think about Fish. I think you secretly like what he writes but you just say what you do in order to stir things up, just like you seem to do on so many subjects. Surely you can't be really angry with so many posters, not just Fish.
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2013, 08:21:26 PM »
Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on August 22, 2013, 04:10:30 PM
Find anything positive Fish has had to say about the USBC since he joined here.  Please, find just one.  Its the same act he carried on with at Bowl.com until they had enough of his nonsense and did something about it.
Dear Long Gone Daddy:

There you go again with an oft-repeated LIE. Nothing ever happened to me on the bowl.com forums, even though you have FALSELY stated that I was barred from there.

And if you LIE about that, how can anyone believe ANYTHING you say in these forums?
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Re: 60-year USBC member speaks out on direction of modern-day game
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2013, 11:03:20 AM »
How strange that I am not the only one with that understanding of your relationship with bowl.com.  Whatever, has-been.  Your constant bashing of the USBC has been pointed out by many to be tiresome and boring.  I practice what I preach so I am MOVING ON from this thread and most others that you start about the USBC until you actually have something new to say.  I have a feeling that will be a very long, long time
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