Author Topic: Banned from USBC? (Read 15641 times)

ucumin2 · « **on:** January 21, 2009, 01:33:22 PM »

This is a good one for all to read. Were does it state in USBC rules that a bowler can push another bowler but if you throw a shoe you get banned from all USBC leagues and tournaments? One of are lovely bowlers decided to walk threw a pair of lanes with wet shoes on and was told walk the other way because we are still bowling. Rather then walk the other way the bowler decided to push me and say my feet are not wet. Then hands me his shoe. I took the shoe threw it away from me. Now im being threaten by leauge president if i don't apologize im being kicked off all leagues and banned from all USBC events. So one explain this to me? Any thoughts?

bowlerdawg · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:54:43 PM »

if you want to play in the usbc say your sorry
yeah the other person was a jerk
yeah you were probably right, but you got caught
so get over it and say your sorry if you want to keep bowling in usbc
or throw a big " I'M RIGHT AND YOUR NOT " hissey fit and get kicked out
your call

jmo
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ucumin2 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2009, 09:59:30 PM »

Yeah your right but were does it state throw a shoe and your banned?

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if you want to play in the usbc say your sorry
yeah the other person was a jerk
yeah you were probably right, but you got caught
so get over it and say your sorry if you want to keep bowling in usbc
or throw a big " I'M RIGHT AND YOUR NOT " hissey fit and get kicked out
your call

jmo
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any buzzsaw is better than no buzzsaw

Maine Man · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:09:02 PM »

This is right from the USBC rule book:

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17b. Improper Conduct

An individual can also be charged with the following violation(s):

1. Engaging in improper tactics or conduct in connection with the game of bowling including, but not limited to, physical and verbal abuse toward other persons.

2. Failing to distribute prize money to team members consistent with verbal or written agreements.

3. Failing to pay fees due for participation in a USBC league or tournament. (See Rule 115b for league procedures to suspend an individual for nonpayment of league fees.)

4. Misusing/mishandling/misappropriation of any funds held in trust by an officer of a USBC league, an adult supervisor or coach of a youth league, or a board member of a chartered USBC local or state association.

5. Misfeasance, malfeasance, or nonfeasance of office.

Penalty: Membership may be suspended or denied to anyone who is involved in a violation of this rule. Leagues may also remove the individual following the provisions in Rule 115a or 115c.

NOTE: A complaint may be filed only in the current season or the season immediately following the alleged violation. The complaint shall be in writing and detail the charges against the member(s) and the USBC rule(s) involved. The complaint shall be signed by the person(s) making the charges and filed with USBC Headquarters.

I would say throwing your shoe at someone is covered by the "physical abuse" clause outlined above. Next time, be the bigger man and just walk away, or file a complaint against the other person before engaging them in a physical altercation.
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ucumin2 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2009, 10:13:16 PM »

Thank you for that
Problem i have is i didnt throw it at him or anyone. I threw it away from me. Yeah i screwed up on that note but rather do that they smash i guys face in. Im not putting my health at risk (my knee) because some moran was to walk threw are pait with wet feet.

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This is right from the USBC rule book:

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17b. Improper Conduct

An individual can also be charged with the following violation(s):

1. Engaging in improper tactics or conduct in connection with the game of bowling including, but not limited to, physical and verbal abuse toward other persons.

2. Failing to distribute prize money to team members consistent with verbal or written agreements.

3. Failing to pay fees due for participation in a USBC league or tournament. (See Rule 115b for league procedures to suspend an individual for nonpayment of league fees.)

4. Misusing/mishandling/misappropriation of any funds held in trust by an officer of a USBC league, an adult supervisor or coach of a youth league, or a board member of a chartered USBC local or state association.

5. Misfeasance, malfeasance, or nonfeasance of office.

Penalty: Membership may be suspended or denied to anyone who is involved in a violation of this rule. Leagues may also remove the individual following the provisions in Rule 115a or 115c.

NOTE: A complaint may be filed only in the current season or the season immediately following the alleged violation. The complaint shall be in writing and detail the charges against the member(s) and the USBC rule(s) involved. The complaint shall be signed by the person(s) making the charges and filed with USBC Headquarters.

I would say throwing your shoe at someone is covered by the "physical abuse" clause outlined above. Next time, be the bigger man and just walk away, or file a complaint against the other person before engaging them in a physical altercation.
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State Site: http://www.msusbc-maine.org
Local Link: www.lausbca.org

David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2009, 11:03:07 PM »

Well,,,,,, you have a couple options....

For the right price, I can off said guy and the league president

Next time you goto league,,,, get your shoes wet and walk up n down the League Presidents approaches. And ask him how he likes having wet approaches.

Or file a greviance with the Association if the League President try's anything. And then explain how the League Pres. did nothing to said guy who intentionally ruined the approaches.

Or all of thee above. PM me for my price to off someone

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JessN16 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2009, 11:22:28 PM »

Couple of things...

A league president has no authority to ban you from tournaments and leagues. He *might* have the authority to kick you off HIS league, but in every league I've ever bowled in, that could only be done by a vote of the league's board of directors (varying in number anywhere from the league officers to league officers plus all team captains). To actually get your card/bowling privileges pulled is an entirely different kettle of fish.

If this person is also the association president, again, it's not a one-person decision. And you have appeal options above that level.

Given that the USBC is bleeding bowlers and it's even difficult to get prize fund thieves banned sometimes, yanking your card for throwing a shoe is a likelihood somewhere in line with pigs flying out of my butt.

Now, this is assuming we're getting a clear picture of the events from just your story. If you've been known to be a hothead in the past, your chances of incurring some damage from this go way up.

Here's what I'd do if it were me (this might not work for you): I've never given anyone a problem, so I have (hopefully) a good rep. I go to the president and talk it over with him one-on-one. If that solves the problem, fine.

But if it does not, I am polite but firm in that I did nothing wrong and I won't be apologizing to anyone. And if it comes to it, I will go up the chain of command at the USBC and even into civil court if I have to in order to get this straight. He can either agree to a stalemate or he's going to waste a lot of his spare time (and perhaps money on legal fees) in the coming weeks/months because I will go to WHATEVER level I have to go to in order to keep and maintain my good name. And in my case, at least, people know I'll make good that promise.

There are some league presidents out there that are nothing more than walking ego sacks. The good thing is those same people typically realize that, once you call their bluff, they really have no ground to stand on.

Jess

Atochabsh · « **Reply #7 on:** January 22, 2009, 01:52:16 AM »

There is a process that has to happen to get you suspended from USBC. It entails a long list of notifications by certified mail, meetings, minutes to meetings and then those papers properly filed.

What you should do is request a league meeting of the president. Explain the happening to the league of officers and team captains. Not everyone in the league officer/team captains might not have heard both sides of the story. Both of you acted badly. Therefore a league meeting needs to happen.

But you cannot be suspended from USBC without proper procedure, which includes formal meetings and hopefully your participation. Now if get a certified letter from the league and do not appear, it will nearly always go badly for you.

Erin

nutsforbowling · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2009, 04:27:44 AM »

Well if you do actually get banned then you can go take a remedial english course for making us try to understand what the hell you are trying to say!!!!!
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dballz · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2009, 07:44:09 AM »

i think what you did was not a problem at all. the loser gave you his shoe, what are you suppose to do with it? i would have tossed it to the side too. i do agree with the one suggestion of talking to the president of the league. i am president in one of the leagues i bowl in and i can tell you right now, that if it had happened in my league, i would not have threatened you with being out of the league or anything else. i probably would have shaken your hand and thanked you for not blowing up and making it a physical altercation.

does the jerk who gave you his shoe, bowl in the league as well? if so, i hope the president had words for him and threatened him with his card, because what he did was try to instigate problems, and that should not be tolerated.

good luck with your situation.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #10 on:** January 22, 2009, 07:55:45 AM »

HE HANDED YOU THE SHOE .. WAS IT WET?
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Spider Man · « **Reply #11 on:** January 22, 2009, 07:59:08 AM »

This sounds like the Randy Orton / Vince McMahon storyline from Raw last Monday:

Orton demanded that McMahon's daughter apologize to him, for something she did while Vince was away. After Orton mocked her, Vince demanded that HE needed to apologize to her, or be FIRED. As Vince was about to fire him, Orton gave Vince a beatdown and put him in a coma.

If you beatdown your league president, than you can't be banned by him.
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Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:13:47 AM »

Paging former President Bush, flying shoe at 12 o'clock!
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Oskuposer · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:21:44 AM »

Yea but no one will bowl anymore cause a black man is having a basket ball court installed. Stereotypical. Cuz its True.

Anyway story at hand the dumby who walked on the lanes with wet shoes was endagering the safety of the other bowlers on the lane. Im pretty sure bodily harm would happen because of negligence of the dufus walking on a lane that was still in use. You didn't throw the shoe AT someone intentionally, you just did't want it near you
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justdale · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2009, 08:24:42 AM »

Being a league secretary i can tell you from my own experience that to get someone's USBC card revoked is a lot of time consuming work. And even if you ( being the league secretary) do everything in the right order according to the USBC handbook, your chances of actually getting USBC to " take someones card" is pretty slim.
I agree with the other poster who said you should have a league meeting, yes it is true that only a league president can actually call for a league meeting ( but any team captain can put the pressure on him to do so), you should implore him to do so, that way everything gets out in the open and let the league's board take the proper action.
Unless you have been a real trouble maker in the past you getting kicked out of the league is very unlikekly to happen
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