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Helluvahobbybowler

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Burnt up Lanes
« on: August 22, 2017, 06:41:37 PM »
I'm looking for a nice unaggressive piece for the burn.  Is Urethane a good choice for the 3rd game or late tournament block?  Would it start too early?  If so, what would be a good choice for the 3rd league game when everything is running?  I guess I need a true dry lane ball as opposed to a skid/flip ball.  Thinking about the Cherry Vibe, BTU Pearl, or Hustle SAY.  Any other suggestions?  I'm not looking for any super long and super angular on the back.  That normally gets me in the ugly split territory in the 3rd game.  Rant over.  Any suggestions would be appreciated. 

 

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 07:32:59 PM »
For me, urethane has only been a good option on short patterns 35ft or less. If you have a higher rev rate urethane could be a good option. On broken down house shots reactive still seems to be the best bet.

The Hustle SAY is pretty angular and not a true dry lane ball. I haven't seen enough of the new Cherry Vibe. I'd recommend the Rhino, Alley Cat, or Motiv Freestyle.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2017, 07:41:10 PM »
Blue Hammer or Brunswick Rhino.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2017, 07:43:36 PM »
There is no such thing as too much burn for a Faball Pink Hammer.  The red and blue pearl hammers either on modern conditions.  Just polished up my Faball black hammer but haven't had a chance to throw it on messed up lanes yet but imagine it would be fine also.
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2017, 07:57:36 PM »
First, depends how bad a burn and I think this has more to do with the center, how many games and who else is bowling more than the pattern.

Last Thanksgiving did a 10 game marathon tournament on a heavy 46 foot pattern. The pattern started to break down game 3 and with all gone by game 6. But I've also bowled some 6 and 8 game tournaments where sure, there was break down, but didn't make me feel I practicing on lanes not oiled in a week.

The problem with solid urethane for the extreme burn is it rolls early. I have a storm supernatural and it's totally different than the solid urethanes I've tried. I have a rev rate in 200's so typically urethane either hooks way to little for me, or rolls up too early on burn, except supernatural. That's a great ball.

I was thinking of trying an experiment - get a tropical storm and drill with about 1 1/2 inch pin to pap? But really for some of these tournaments it get so bad better off just using plastic.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2017, 08:21:44 PM »
Yeah pearl urethane is ideal for the burn (or even plastic as you mention or even one of those super hard rubber Manhattan balls) but that new Blue Hammer remake almost rolls more like a super super weak pearl reactive (minus much backend) than a urethane.
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Helluvahobbybowler

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2017, 09:45:55 PM »
Thank you.  With that being said, what do you think?  BTU Pearl or Purple Hammer?

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 09:58:34 PM »
Urethane is only ideal for the burn if you want to grind. If your average is high, good luck hitting it using urethane on the burn. Urethane is a good option for getting to the hole if the lanes are tough, but you ARE giving up carry for that control.

The important question that no one has bothered to ask: what are you balling down from? There's a big difference between a Sure Lock hooking too much and a Tropical Breeze hooking too much.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2017, 12:39:27 AM »
Will second urethane doesn't carry quite as well unless you have lots of hand but as you say doesn't sound like you need to throw 230+ most of the time with it.  Haven't thrown the Fanatic BTU balls but they probably do carry a bit better.  Not sure if they would be too much ball though.  Will be able to give you a review on the Faball Blue Hammer when I get my punched up later in the week.  The new blue hammer remake is cheap and pretty good for burn but its carry imo is closer to urethane than reactive (purple hammer remake will even outhit it imo).  Also the Rhino may very well give you the best of both worlds with good carry but also super long and relatively mild.  Haven't thrown the new version (going to "borrow" an old Teal one parents have in garage some day soon though).
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2017, 09:19:31 AM »
Where do you want to play the lanes on the burn.  Can't make a ball recommendation without knowing what you are trying to do. 

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2017, 02:15:13 PM »
Nothing wrong with a trusty Tropical Storm.

Urethane isn't for dry lanes where the heads and mids are burnt.  Its for hot backends where you have some head oil and want the ball to layoff.

You can throw oil balls on the burn .... I'll use a Marvel-S, take my hand out of it, and throw gassers up 7 .....
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 02:40:25 PM »
Heads are burned? No urethane. Inside of 4th arrow? No urethane. Bunch of carrydown? No urethane.

Lots of wet dry and flying backends? Yes urethane. Trying to stay close to the bump? Yes urethane. Trying to grind out a score while everyone else is going thru the beak with resin? Yes urethane.

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 03:10:51 PM »
Heads are burned? No urethane. Inside of 4th arrow? No urethane. Bunch of carrydown? No urethane.

Lots of wet dry and flying backends? Yes urethane. Trying to stay close to the bump? Yes urethane. Trying to grind out a score while everyone else is going thru the beak with resin? Yes urethane.

^ THIS ^

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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 03:57:37 PM »
Well said Doom.
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Re: Burnt up Lanes
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2017, 05:13:50 PM »
For me and not the OP that posted this,
it's for flying back ends. When I reach my max at the 18 board shooting to about 10.
The oil line is fried between 10 and 16. Maybe spotty or I get too fast at 18.
When drinking, I drift a little more right so 18 is my limit.

With the Octane Carbon, I keep leaving a pin, like the 9 or 10 for a 180 best 1/2 way through. I did take the surface up to 2K last weekend in case I try it again. I just need to be a little better than the competition. Had a 162 G3 last week, finally missed a 10 pin after so many of them.

I'm not a strict Motiv Fan and open to others, but almost pulled the trigger on a Tank Rampage minutes ago. Friends say a Hot Cell, but not sure if I want to get a giant core rolling plus production was pushed back. I'm use to that gear core, revs up quick for me and gives a predictable path.

With the significant mass bias of the Hot Cell it may actually back end harder than you want though.  That ball is going to be as strong as urethane comes and might be too much ball.  Honestly it seems like its target market is two handers on fresh shot or maybe even a bit more oil. 
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