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How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« on: July 26, 2007, 10:43:59 AM »
Hey guys,

Just want some feedback on how much monetarily it takes you to save to buy on-line vs buying at your local pro shop.  Thanks for your feedback...
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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2007, 10:47:01 AM »
My experience is by the time you pay for a ball purchased online, shipping and then having it drilled at your local pro shop. The saving is nominal, so I prefer just to buy the ball from the pro shop. But now other equipment, bags, gloves, wrist supports, etc, much much cheaper online. So anything along these lines I purchase online.

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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2007, 03:08:05 PM »
I save easily $100+ a ball by waiting 6-12 months and getting them online after they have been discountinued. I don't think anything today is much different then a few years ago.

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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2007, 03:44:37 PM »
out of respect for my driller, I ask him first before I purchase..Its usually something thats hard to find with a great price...it hasn't bothered him yet...9
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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2007, 03:56:56 PM »
Rick, it really depends on what kind of shopper you are.  If your looking to build an arsenal of balls and don't care if there older releases then the internet is the way to go.  You can find some really good deals on NIB balls online.  

If you are a bowler that knows layouts and don't need advice from the pro shop guy, then buying online is probably your best bet.  


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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2007, 04:13:14 PM »
If I can save over $45, i'll buy online. Other then that I'd like to support my local proshop.

Example, I just drilled a Mystic that I bought NIB off Ebay for $78shipped
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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2007, 04:27:58 PM »
Along the "saving money" line.. would you be more likely to purchase a ball at your pro shop if it included things you cannot get Online.

What if the price included Drilling, Inserts, Resurface, Revivor, and 5-10 cleaning/sand(or polish)

More of a maintenance package...  Would you see the value in that, even though it would cost you more up front still?

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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2007, 04:36:32 PM »
I have got to say that if I could get the prices in my shop that some of you guys are quoting I could quit my day job and drill fulltime.

$195 drilled, out the door with inserts and slug for anything high end like Ones, Infernos, Actions, Shifts, PAradigms etc....

$175 drilled for the Storm Fire Line or Black Widows

$155 drilled for the Thunderstruck or RAW Hammer line

$21.95 for inserts and a slug? I have a tough time getting $15

Wow...I am in the wrong area of the country.....
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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2007, 04:41:04 PM »
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More of a maintenance package...  Would you see the value in that, even though it would cost you more up front still?



The previous owner of the shop I go to used to offer that.  One free set of grips, one (maybe 2 can't remember) resurface and 2 clean/polish.  I thought it was a BRILLIANT idea.  He didn't raise his prices when he did that either.
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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2007, 04:48:51 PM »
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Pro Shops charge way to much and if it was not for the internet we would not Know this. If we can purchase balls for $110 less then they are charging (you know they are paying less then this), They are charging way to much a 100% mark up should be  
50% so that ball in the pro shop that is $219 should only cost $164. Then we would not have to buy ball of the internet and ccn return to the local pro shop.



sir,  most prices that you pay online are in the same range as a pro shop pays from their dist.

if you really think pro shops are buying these balls so cheap and making a killing,  RUN don't walk to your bank,  get a loan, and open a pro shop.

and then you will see just how much they really pay for a ball.

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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2007, 04:55:37 PM »
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Pro Shops charge way to much and if it was not for the internet we would not Know this. If we can purchase balls for $110 less then they are charging (you know they are paying less then this), They are charging way to much a 100% mark up should be  
50% so that ball in the pro shop that is $219 should only cost $164. Then we would not have to buy ball of the internet and ccn return to the local pro shop.



sir,  most prices that you pay online are in the same range as a pro shop pays from their dist.

if you really think pro shops are buying these balls so cheap and making a killing,  RUN don't walk to your bank,  get a loan, and open a pro shop.

and then you will see just how much they really pay for a ball.

AND YOU WILL NOT BE HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2007, 05:09:14 PM »
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what really cracks me up is when some people come on and knock pro shops for trying to make a profit.  yet these same people,  work a job, and expect to get paid, plus benifits.

i wonder what they would say if they were asked to work for no pay { no profit }  

but you see,  its ok,  cause its them, and they feel they have a right to get paid for working.  but pro shops who have boo koo expenses, don't have a right to make a profit.

and what really cracks me up is that so many of these "paid workers"  spend most of their day online,  while being paid to work.  

and they have the nerve to knock pro shops for making a profit!!!!!

unbelievable.



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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2007, 05:15:36 PM »
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Playndag's got 15lb NIB Track stuff out the wazoo (Rick).  Just bought a (once again) 15lb NIB Track EQUATION for $60, shipping included!  Unbeatable.  His e-mail address is 300 Global related.  Maybe that has something to do with these things selling so dirt cheap.

Whatever!



yes if so,  it is so nice to see the people at global 300 undercutting pro shops.

yes, that makes me want to run out an order their new line of balls.
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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2007, 07:17:54 PM »
To answer the original question, I'd say that at least $20 savings would be the deciding factor.  

For me, most shops don't have what I'm looking for in my weight (14lb), so they have to order it.

I have 30-45 minutes to drive to the shop, another 30-60 minutes of hanging out, shooting the breeze and catching up and finally getting the ball ordered.

Then I have to wait a couple of days for the ball to arrive, drive another 30-45 minutes to the shop, spend another 60-90 minutes for them to either a) pull measurements off existing equipment, b) find my drill sheet, or c) remeasure me, discuss the layout, drill and adjust the fit.

Or, I can go on-line and order the ball and take it in to be drilled.

Of course I have my own drill press now, so I can just do it myself.  I'm still learning, so I still give business to the local shops on new stuff.  For the most part it is hard to beat the local prices - rarely see anything over $210 drilled, although they all charge for inserts and slugs.

The use the Black Widow as an example, I believe the shops are selling them for $195.  Add another $15 for inserts and slugs, so that's $210.  If I buy it on-line it's $120-130 shipped, and another $10 for inserts and slug ($2.50 per insert and $5 per slug).  I'm just using Buddie's as an example.

So, I have $128.50 for ball, and $10 for inserts and slugs.  That's $138.50.  If I drill it myself (because doesn't everybody have their own drilling equipment?) I've saved around $70 (actually it's less because I forgot about tax at the local shop).  Now, since most don't have their own drilling equipment, let's say I take it to the shop to drill.  That's $60 for the drilling (no tax).  I don't know if there is additional charge for installing my own inserts and slug (never tried that or asked about it), so I'm down to saving $10 and that first trip to the shop.  Not really worth it to order on-line for me.

Savings are even less (or actually negative) on the mid-price and entry level balls!  Most BVP type balls are $140-150 drilled, and I think Power Grooves are right around $100 (or less) drilled.

It's really only worth it when the ball is discontinued and/or heavily discounted.

Much better deal for me is to buy used balls as the local shops only charge $40-50 for a complete plug and re-drill, or $20 for just the thumb.

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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2007, 07:48:06 PM »
i bought a fury online for $140...took it to a shop to get it drilled...cause there is no wait time at this shop...inserts....no slug..drilling was around $80...they sell the fury...for around $230...plus drilling fees.  so i saved alot.

too bad the dick drilled it for early rolling when i asked for late...so i traded it off....

took the big shot i got in trade to a pro shop 3 miles away from that one...they are pretty much out of employees...so it was not quick...but after shooting the crap with the pro shop guy for an hour or so...and really letting them take their time with the ball...over a month...

plugged + redrill + inserts cost me $23.

i will be going there from now on...even with the wait...at least they will drill what i want....

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Re: How much do need to save to justify on-line purchases
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2007, 07:54:54 PM »
When a pro shop owner becomes merely a "ball peddler" he's on his way to frustration and selling cars or something.  We need to be much more nowadays.

Give the customer a reason to want you to be profitable, so you'll be around for years to come taking care of their bowling needs.  


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