I have the scream, a tropical breeze and a silver recon, all drilled with the pin above and in between the fingers. The recon is the weakest and smoothest of the three. I also have a slingshot and a hammer nail with a fuller roller drilling (pin just to right of thumb and in the track-i'm a lefty and not a full roller) on both. I sometimes catch the thumbhole but it really doesn't affect the roll. They are both very long, but the nail is super smooth and is my main ball on our light ths.