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lsf_21

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Need something smooth and weak.
« on: January 24, 2013, 05:45:00 PM »
I am frustrated with my current look during league. Basically the 2 looks I have are up 5 with urethane and pray for carry or thread the needle from inside where I have zero room left or right. This house is definitely where straighter is greater.

here is what I am using that is hooking too much. Ebonite Hardball, Track 505c, and storm iq tour pearl.

I am lost at what to do. It seems any pearl I drill I get over under and uncontrollable and solids roll way to early. Do I need to try a different drilling? Different ball? Just give up and quit? any suggestions are welcome.

 

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2013, 01:09:58 PM »
+1... blackout!

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2013, 02:43:29 PM »
+1... blackout!


To all the Blackout reommenders,

Yes, the Blackout is an excellent ball. I certainly like mine, but
1. It is a whole lot stronger than a Natural, and
2. It ain't smooth for everyone!

If you have lots of ball speed, it is probably very smooth. It you have matched speed/revs, it can be smooth. If you're rev dominant, it ain't smooth.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 06:48:16 AM by charlest »
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2013, 05:45:00 PM »
I'm new here but you really seem to know your stuff. Thanks for all the feedback you provide.

+1... blackout!


To all the Blackout reommenders,

Yes, the Blackout is an excellent ball. I certainly like mine, but
1. It is a whole lot stronger than a Natural, and
2. It ain't smooth for everyone!

If you have lots of ball speed, it is probably very smooth. It you have matched speed/revs, it can be smooth. If you rev dominant, it ain't smooth.
"Paul has been spot on in almost all the analysis he's presented".  -Steven

lsf_21

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2013, 09:24:27 PM »
Im tapping out on what to do.

They actually "added more oil" to the point I am rolling the IQ tour pearl 10-5. I threw my rogue cell tonight (the strongest ball I have EVER thrown) and was rolling it smooth 10-5 on beat up shot from the previous night. It is a business league thats un-sanctioned 2 games just for fun.

I shot 279-244. Where is this on a real league night.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2013, 10:58:45 PM »
I am a big fan of two lower differential solids. 

The Rotogrip Sonic X solid(slightly weaker than today's Rotogrip Shout).  Also the Ascent Solid 2000 and polished for me is a little weaker but lots of smoothness and pop!.

I believe the Ascent Solid or the Shout are in my mind great especially if it looks like there is no hold area in the middle or the shot is shorter in the 35 foot range!

They react dramatically smoother than their pearl counterparts on my scorched end of the pattern desert!

Regrds,

Lucklefty.
PS I frequently find they carry by twirling them over 10 out to about 5 by standing 24 and doing all that before 30 feet, when executed like this, oh my....some POP!
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2013, 02:27:39 PM »
check out my mini review on the arson low flare

http://www.ballreviews.com/hammer/arson-low-flare-t292344.0.html

will be perfect if you drill it properly

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2013, 11:53:08 PM »
Charlest,

Have you put your comments on your Scream versus the Ascent Pearl somewhere out here?

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Luckylefty
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2013, 08:23:15 AM »
Charlest,

Have you put your comments on your Scream versus the Ascent Pearl somewhere out here?

Regards,

Luckylefty

I don't have the Ascent Pearl. I was looking for someone who had it and the Scream to compare what they saw.

The Scream is stronger in the backend than the Hardball. So it wouldn't be a solution for the original poster. Besides he seems now to be seeing more oil than these balls can handle.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2013, 08:30:37 AM by charlest »
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2013, 09:29:26 AM »
I had the same issues late last season. I actually owned the 505C and the Hardball and they were both too much.

Picked up a Grey Slingshot to play right up 8 and shot my only 800.

The ball hits very hard from that angle if you have speed.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2013, 11:20:24 AM »
I had very similar issues for sometime until our house starting using a longer and higher volume house pattern.
I was stuck in between a Columbia Freeze and Storm Natural.  When the Natural carries, games are big.  It's just a big step down from a ball like the Freeze, a supposedly "low end" ball.  Like you, when the Natural wasn't carrying, single pin leaves and buckets were the norm.  That usually happens when the Freeze was too strong and it was too early to drop down to urethane.

I did get the Tropical Breeze which fills the hole quite nicely.  I just don't need it anymore since I see more volumes now.

We did a few reviews on the Breeze.

http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/storm-frantic-and-virtual-gravity-nano-pearl-ball-reviews/

The above link is a look at a complete arsenal and you can get a sense for how the Breeze Solid compares to the Tropical Heat Solid, Nano Pearl, Victory Road, and Nano.

http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/storm-tropical-breeze-hybrid-ball-review-digitrax/

The above link is a review of the Hybrid.  It's a view from the left side compared to the Hy-Road.  You will see what a huge difference it is from something like the Hy-Road.

We have the full reviews and Digitrax analysis so it should be more to go by than just a video.

Good Luck.


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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2013, 11:42:49 AM »
House moved to kegels main street and the shot is much better.

Actually shot my first 300 the first day using the shot. All downhill from there

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2013, 11:50:00 AM »
I had a hard time with Main Street in terms of equipment use.  That's actually why I got the Tropical Breeze.  Like you, I'd have a look from deep like 18 to 7 (I'm lefty) or more direct.  I could only score big from deep inside on occasion.
Ever since switching to Kegel Stone Street with more volume and 42 ft, I wouldn't need to touch the Breeze.   
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2013, 03:54:32 PM »
The bullet train lets me get about straight as anything I've ever thrown. Early roll but doesn't ever seem to over react. Its marketed as a high end release but the one i drilled for me and the other 2 I've drilled are really straight and Carries well. I had to mess with the surface a lot to get it just right but it definitely will get some use now....

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2013, 05:18:15 PM »
The bullet train lets me get about straight as anything I've ever thrown. Early roll but doesn't ever seem to over react. Its marketed as a high end release but the one i drilled for me and the other 2 I've drilled are really straight and Carries well. I had to mess with the surface a lot to get it just right but it definitely will get some use now....

We did find very similar, but it's not a "weak" piece.  It does have great control and continuation.
Here's our review.
http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/900-global-bullet-train-bowling-ball-review-with-digitrax-analysis/
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2013, 05:31:39 PM »
I have found my success on main street paying about 15-5 with a strong pearl drilled weak. I cannot pay straighter no matter what ball I throw. I have no room left that way but I can tug it in a few boards and it will hold.

I have thought about going with a weaker ball and playing closer to 15-10 to maximize area.