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Brickguy221

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Reverse Finger Pitch
« on: June 11, 2009, 12:49:26 PM »
I know that many people use reverse finger pitch because of stiffness in their fingers, hand, etc. With that being said, why do some bowlers use reverse finger pitch when they have no stiffness in their fingers, hand etc.

I know of two local bowlers that average in the 225-235 range that use reverse finger pitch and they have no finger or hand stiffness. One uses 3/8 reverse in both fingers and the other uses 3/8 reverse on MF and 1/2 reverse on the RF.

They both say they get better lift-leverage on the ball with reverse finger pitch.

My question is .... Is this is true for those of you that might use reverse finger pitch but don't have any finger or hand stiffness?
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2009, 08:25:25 AM »
I thought this now dead post was interesting...

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2009, 09:06:42 AM »
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I thought this now dead post was interesting...


Yeah. Me too. Learning lots. I'd even add an intelligent comment if it was within my power to do so.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2009, 02:58:36 PM »
Mike Austin,
how much finger pitch do you use ?
I have been using zero pitch in my fingers but recently bought a used ball off you and love the reverse pitch you had in the fingers.  I could have them measured but would have to rip out the new inserts to do it (they're lifts which makes measuring pitch inaccurate).  Anyway, want to redrill my fingers in my other balls to match it.  

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2009, 03:59:30 PM »
Andrew, please explain what you are referring to as a:

1. "stronger release position of the fingers inside the ball",

2. "how to get inside the ball"

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2009, 04:47:46 PM »
And look how many rocket ships blow up...

Keep the discussion going. If they discussed rockets like we discuss reverse pitch, cg, and RICO, we'd be colonizing Europa by now.

Things like the "modern" fit need to be talked about.  More people than not should have some sort of reverse in their fingers.  Whether it's 1/8 or 1/2, cutting back on the forward pitch from a 1980's fit could do wonders for some.

While I do agree with the cynicism of DB about how technical it needs to be.  I would NOT change fit to roll the ball differently. Change fit based on how the hand is shaped, the flexibility of the fingers in relation to thumb, and how the thumb hinges when it connects to the palm.  Only after those parameters are met should you adjust fit based on how one rolls the ball.


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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2009, 07:34:26 PM »
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Anxious to pick up my Gamebreaker Thursday and see what it does. The pitches and span is supposed to match the Playmaker I threw today and hopefull the driller gets it right as he is for what ever reason not too accurate on the span anymore. Gets pitches perfect but not the span. I made him let me check the span today before he drilled it. I had him adjust it a wee bit and drill it and it came out perfect.

If the Gamebreaker comes off my hand as well as the Playmaker did today, then I am on the right track. I'm anxious to get this issue resolved as I have 3 NIB balls sitting in the closet to drill plus plug and redrill one in my bag.

 


Here is the latest on my trying to convert to reverse finger pitch.....I got the Gamebreaker out of the proshop last Thursday with reverse pitches to match the Playmaker that I tried and liked. First game 223 with more revs and a harder-better pin mixing hit. Second game 211. Then third game, for some reason I began hitting up on the ball in place of letting the ball roll off my fingers like I did previously with the Playmaker and the first 2 games here with the Gamebreaker and bowled 158.

I practiced yesterday and continued trying to hit up on the ball like I did with my previous grip of 0 F-R pitch and power lift grips. Bowled league today (210-175-188 = 573) and still tried hitting up on the ball like I used to. I can't figure out as to why I quit hitting up on the ball the first 2 times I tried this new grip with reverse finger pitch and now I am trying to hit up on the ball again.

Has anyone had this experience when converting from 0 F-R finger pitch to quite a bit of reverse finger pitch?......And if so, do they know what caused it and how they corrected it? I am totally confused as to why the first few games with this new grip, I threw the ball right and now when I should be perfecting-fine tuning my new release, I'm not and am back to my old ways of hitting up on the ball and can't seem to stop it.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2009, 09:30:58 PM »
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Check your timing. Most people start grabbing at the ball later in blocks due to their feet getting faster or their push away getting earlier. Usually the issue is the feet, so make sure you keep them in check!


You may have a point there. In thinking when I first used this reverse pitch with success, I'm thinking that maybe  I may have been a bit hesitant since all the pitches and span were new, thus maybe slower feet??? .... and today being more comfortable with the grip maybe faster or fast feet??? I'm going to look at that Thursday when I bowl again...Thanks for the tip.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2009, 09:33:46 PM »
You're probably just getting comfortable with the feel and reverting back to your release using 0 pitch, so just make a conscious effort to try rolling the ball more on your release (get it out there on the lane), instead of hitting up on it. Did you feel like you were grabbing it at the release when hitting up on it ?  I did that same thing when changing to the reverse pitch - just take some more practice time with it.
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2009, 10:57:05 PM »
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Mike Austin,
how much finger pitch do you use ?
I have been using zero pitch in my fingers but recently bought a used ball off you and love the reverse pitch you had in the fingers.  I could have them measured but would have to rip out the new inserts to do it (they're lifts which makes measuring pitch inaccurate).  Anyway, want to redrill my fingers in my other balls to match it.  

Thanks in advance.


I use 1/2 reverse in both fingers.

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2009, 01:32:29 AM »
What is a standard reverse pitch that you should start off with?.. I went to a shorter span and took out some of the reverse in my thumb.. my fingers are at 0 forward/reverse.. left them how they are cause I didn't want to plug all the fingers..

where should I go from 0.. 1/8, 1/4, 1/2??

Also.. if I go more reverse in the fingers will I need more forward in the thumb so I don't lose the ball?


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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2009, 09:27:26 AM »
sometimes it is hard to know what we like if we don't know any better.. example..

i had almost a 5 1/2 inch span with 1/4 forward in the fingers... + grips that puts more forward.. this felt fine to me for about 20 years.. until I just changed on a whim..

now I am at 4 5/8 span with 0 in the fingers.. feels pretty good but maybe reverse will be better..

is it a rule that you want the reverse so the fingers will not press at all on the backside if you relax your grip..??
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2009, 04:57:06 PM »
Have a good fitter evaluate the flexibility of your finger joints and he'll tell you what finger pitch you need.  --  JohnP
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2009, 05:12:28 PM »
I just think too many people ignore the crucial relationship of thumb finger separation in timing!  

The more separation the easier to create area I think....your thoughts "modern bowling" gurus?

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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2009, 07:13:55 PM »
Bob, when changing to 1/2 reverse, how long did it take you to still stop trying to hit up on the ball?....or did it work immediately for you and you never hit up on it again? I don't know if you read it or not, but I previously posted that I quit hitting up as soon as I wend to 1/4 & 3/8 reverse, then after 2 bowling sesions, I am unintentionallyt trying to hit up on the ball again when I don't have to. Just wondering if you experienced anything like this?
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Re: Reverse Finger Pitch
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2009, 07:06:22 PM »
Bull...I tried reverse in my fingers due to getting calluses on my finger tips and a driller recommended going to 1/4 reverse and I couldn't do anything with the ball. All it did was force me to grab it harder to get revs on it and made me work on the release. I tried it for a month and went back to 0 and I'm just fine with calluses.
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