Author Topic: Secretary Suspending Me - Need Help! (Read 11821 times)

KraZy · « **on:** October 30, 2009, 03:01:01 PM »

Quick story:

League Secretary, on his own, has decided to suspend me for an altercation over telling someone to pull up their pants. He, the league secretary, has been telling other bowlers that the suspension will be either 1 year or 2 weeks depending on my reaction when he notifies me in person this coming week.

Longer story:

The bowler misses a spare and proceeds to make a scene of all scenes and blamed me for it. He goes to the secretary telling him I did this while he was on the approach. He addresses the issue with me and I told him that was incorrect and was backed up by the insane bowler's team captain. I thought this was the end of it.

I take the following week off because I do not want to deal with the bowler the following week. My team captain tells me he was badgering the league officials over the incident all evening, and even bothered my teammates on my whereabouts.

So my team captain gets a call 10days after the incident and the secretary tells him I have been suspended for a year. But later said he over reacted and said it would be 2 weeks or a year depending on my reaction when they tell me in person. His mind is made up even after hearing the other team captain.

How can he do this? I dont think he can do this, at least from what I read in the USBC rule book. I need options, opinions, or something!

HELP!

Hogsharley · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2009, 11:15:53 PM »

Your league rules may override this

quote:
Rule 115 â€“ Disciplinary Procedures
115a. Dismissal of a League Officer or Player
A league member can file a written charge asking for removal of a league officer or dismissal of a player.
1. A player may be dismissed from the league or an officer removed from league office only for any of
the following reasons:
a. Conduct derogatory to the best interest of the league.
b. Any deliberate action which can be proven to be detrimental to the best interest of the team.
c. Violation of any USBC or league rule.
A player who continues to pay the league fees cannot be dismissed or replaced because of absence from
league play unless one of the foregoing reasons is applicable.
2. If written charges are filed, the following procedures must be followed:
a.   Within one week after receipt of the written complaint, the league president should schedule
a meeting of the leagueâ€™s board of directors, and members of the board shall be notified. The
meeting should be held at the earliest possible date.
b.   Written notice and a copy of the complaint shall be provided to the individual(s) charged.
Such notice:
1) Should be sent by first class mail or be hand delivered.
2) Shall notify the individual of the date, time and place of the meeting, as well as his/her
right to attend and offer a defense.
c. A roster shall be prepared listing those present and absent. A quorum of the board of directors
must be present at the meeting. Minutes of the meeting and all documents and material
relating to the charges must be maintained.
d.   A two-thirds vote of board members present and voting shall be required for dismissal and/or
removal from office.
e. The individual(s) involved shall be notified in writing of the boardâ€™s decision and of the right to
appeal that decision to the respective USBC local association, or to USBC Headquarters. An
appeal under this rule must be filed in accordance with Rule 119.
3. A player dismissed from the league:
a. Forfeits all franchise, prize and any other money for which they may have been eligible, unless
the leagueâ€™s board determines otherwise.
Chapter 4: League Rules 65
b. May rejoin the league with the written consent of two-thirds of the full membership of the
board. If permitted to rejoin, the average shall be continued.
NOTE: Leagues have the authority to act on verbal complaints.

I would print and bring this to league next week and tell them that I'm bowling until proper USBC action is taken. A secy has no right to tell you anything. They just keep league records. The president should be the one who is acting on the complaint.

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Juggernaut · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2009, 11:35:50 PM »

Unless your league has a rule about this situation, the USBC rules must be followed. That means that a written complaint has to be filed with the secretary, the league has to be notified of the complaint, along with all parties involved, a meeting/hearing has to be set up.

At this meeting, all parties will be allowed to plead their case. After all testimony, a vote of team captains has to be taken as to whether to remove a person or not. If a 2/3 majority votes to remove a person, he can be removed, but can still appeal the ruling to the USBC headquarters. If the USBC overturns the leagues ruling, the member can be reinstated.

UNLESS THE LEAGUE HAS ITS OWN RULE ABOUT THIS, THE SECRETARY CANNOT JUST SUSPEND YOU AT HIS WHIM, NOR COULD HE DECIDE THE LENGTH OF THE SUSPENSION!

The USBC rule book says that the league has the right to act on verbal complaints, but that would still require the LEAGUE to decide, not just the secretary.
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blacknois · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2009, 01:13:25 AM »

quote:
Quick story I'm an azzhole I pitched a fit,(cause I'm young and I know everything) I smoke weed in the parking lot (so what) now they want to sepend me for up to a year? puff puff I dont get it? ok Im not even 22 yet but F them! have they even seen how much I can hook the ball? blah blah blah Oh by the way, where I bowl the houde is flooded I have the biggest hook, they cant get rid of me...... everyone will quit!!!
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KraZy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:49:17 AM »

Thanks for the support everyone!

Its a new center, new officials, and new bowlers.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2009, 08:21:09 AM »

quote:
Your league rules may override this

quote:
Rule 115 â€“ Disciplinary Procedures
115a. Dismissal of a League Officer or Player
A league member can file a written charge asking for removal of a league officer or dismissal of a player.
1. A player may be dismissed from the league or an officer removed from league office only for any of
the following reasons:
a. Conduct derogatory to the best interest of the league.
b. Any deliberate action which can be proven to be detrimental to the best interest of the team.
c. Violation of any USBC or league rule.
A player who continues to pay the league fees cannot be dismissed or replaced because of absence from
league play unless one of the foregoing reasons is applicable.
2. If written charges are filed, the following procedures must be followed:
a.   Within one week after receipt of the written complaint, the league president should schedule
a meeting of the leagueâ€™s board of directors, and members of the board shall be notified. The
meeting should be held at the earliest possible date.
b.   Written notice and a copy of the complaint shall be provided to the individual(s) charged.
Such notice:
1) Should be sent by first class mail or be hand delivered.
2) Shall notify the individual of the date, time and place of the meeting, as well as his/her
right to attend and offer a defense.
c. A roster shall be prepared listing those present and absent. A quorum of the board of directors
must be present at the meeting. Minutes of the meeting and all documents and material
relating to the charges must be maintained.
d.   A two-thirds vote of board members present and voting shall be required for dismissal and/or
removal from office.
e. The individual(s) involved shall be notified in writing of the boardâ€™s decision and of the right to
appeal that decision to the respective USBC local association, or to USBC Headquarters. An
appeal under this rule must be filed in accordance with Rule 119.
3. A player dismissed from the league:
a. Forfeits all franchise, prize and any other money for which they may have been eligible, unless
the leagueâ€™s board determines otherwise.
Chapter 4: League Rules 65
b. May rejoin the league with the written consent of two-thirds of the full membership of the
board. If permitted to rejoin, the average shall be continued.
NOTE: Leagues have the authority to act on verbal complaints.

First of all KRAZY .. don't think I'm NOT supporting you .. just want to voice my opinion.

Do you know if there was a WRITTEN COMPLAINT? Seems like the rules are all triggered by this action!

Seems like the BOARD OF DIRECTORS according your description have agreed to dismiss you. If that be the case you are to be notified by MAIL that this has happened. Don't be surprised if when you show up they HAND YOU this advise. That MAY cover them.

Asking a bowler TO PULL UP THEIR PANTS alone is not enough to trigger this .. has there been OTHER incidents? Have you made other derogatory remarks prior to THIS incident?

quote:
a. Conduct derogatory to the best interest of the league.

Could you possible have UPSET enough of the league that they are taking an action to get rid of you?

I agree there is more to happen (according to the rules) before banning you however actions till now (assuming a WRITTEN COMPLAINT) are NOT in your favor.

SORRY .. that's my opinion!
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KraZy · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2009, 08:58:35 AM »

Board of Directors are made up of team captains. I'm learning the political side of bowling here too.

I made a comment last winter league to the mechanic (who is now president). Told him I wanted refunded for him literally mopping the lanes for a sport league. So I am not in favor with him. I have not uttered a word nor made any types of remarks this season.

There is no written complaint. Only verbal and it was addressed before the evening was done. The other team captain explained to the secretary I did nothing wrong that his bowler exploded and would be removing him from his team...I dont know if this has happened yet or not.

These are new bowlers running the league, in a new center. I know the majority of the bowlers (3/4's) from other centers and they are up in arms over this as well.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:21:45 AM »

I wish you LUCK! Be prepared to DEFEND yourself .. it maybe that the PRESIDENT is holding a grudge .. if the complainer is being DUMPED it may be help to you ..IF IT GOES TOO FAR AGAINST YOU! Build up a good case IF you have to defend yourself and be sure of your witnesses .. a lot of people are TWO FACED and will say one thing to you then make the same thing sound DIFFERENTLY when in front of OTHERS!

Again .. GOOD LUCK!
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Nicanor · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:42:53 PM »

I recommend emailing the rules committee at USBC and get it direct from them what avenues the league has and what avenue you have for rebuttal. If you email the rules committe, they will respond to your email rather quickly and you will have something in writing to bring to league in case they say you can''''t bowl.

Sometimes league secretaries think they have more authority or power then they really have. Even the president is limited. No one can be suspended from a league or removed from a league without a hearing from the local USBC association and even that can be appealed.

rules@bowl.com

Good luck.

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dicnic · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:57:02 PM »

Seems to me that you ought to clarify your story, at least for those of us only getting information from your post.

"The bowler misses a spare and proceeds to make a scene of all scenes and blamed me for it."

He blames you for missing the spare or blames you for the scene or

What does pulling up his pants have to do with it? He makes a scene because he missed the spare or because of your comment about pulling up his pants?

As others have said, the league secretary cannot do anything on his own, anyhow.
But you need to clarify the original situation so we better understand it. Or am I missing something?
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Atochabsh · « **Reply #10 on:** October 31, 2009, 11:17:30 PM »

If you are paid up in full, the league cannot remove you without following the 115 rule. A league meeting has to occure then you have to also be invited to said meeting. And mintues and attendance has to be taken. Then the results of the meeting with the vote results are sent to your local assoc.

Then the paperwork is filed and faxed to USBC.

If you are paid up in full, a secretary cannot suspend you. Only USBC can suspend you. And only after a league meeting/hearing and a voted result. Plus you have to have the opportunity to represent yourself.

I would definately contact your local association. Make sure that USBC rules are followed.

Erin

luv2C10falll · « **Reply #11 on:** October 31, 2009, 11:24:04 PM »

That is why I have been voted in to be president on 3 league's.I dont put up with the sh*t the other bowler is trying to do.Tell the secretary to grow a set of b*lls an take care of business

Atochabsh · « **Reply #12 on:** October 31, 2009, 11:28:23 PM »

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Tell the secretary to grow a set of b*lls an take care of business

Its not the secretary's job to be a policeman. The league should have a sargent of arms that handles rowdiness. And then the President handles it from there. The Secretary is not the peace keeper.

luv2C10falll · « **Reply #13 on:** October 31, 2009, 11:50:07 PM »

He sounds like he is trying to be the inforcer of the rules.If he wants that job then he should do it right.If this is the first trouble between these two people,nobody get thrown out for 2 weeks.Nobody gets thrown out at all.If dealt with all kinds of issue's in league's an have never had to throw anybody out.And we all know how most bowlers like to drink

Bluff · « **Reply #14 on:** November 01, 2009, 01:19:47 AM »

He trying to Bully you!! They has no right to suspen you lol. THey are want to be
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Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

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