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J_w73

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VISE IT legality
« on: December 30, 2009, 07:39:50 AM »
How does the VISE IT system get around the "no interior void" USBC rule?  I believe I read that the USBC specifies that when using a slug you must drill through the bottom so that there isn''''t any isolated voids in the ball.  If you didn''''t drill through and there was a gap between the hole bottom and the slug then there would be a void making the ball illegal.  Well in the IT system it looks like there would be a void around the female screw molley that is in the bottom of the hole once the slug is screwed into it.
Can somebody that is familiar with the IT system give me some insight on this?
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 03:44:00 PM »
I completely agree
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 03:52:29 PM »
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J_w73

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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 03:54:26 PM »
but they are legal according to the USBC ??

I guess if the whole ball-it was counter sunk into the bottom of the hole that would solve the problem but I don''t think that is the way they are installed.. please let me know if I am wrong.
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icefiction

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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 04:15:04 PM »
i don't think any of us can answer, i know i do not work for the usbc so i think a call or email to them would be the best way, but im sure that many would agree it seems like the vise system does not fit the rules so im sure that when the usbc is contacted it will take a long time before a response is received
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 04:17:40 PM »
i run a shop in south Florida, i will do everyone a favor and email them right now and i will let everyone know what they say
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 04:33:07 PM »
Call Vise 800-323-0039
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 04:54:18 PM »
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i run a shop in south Florida, i will do everyone a favor and email them right now and i will let everyone know what they say
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You drill the hole the same size all the way down correct.. and then just drill a small pencil size hole for the ball-it molley to fit into??
and the ball-it sits at the bottom of the hole with space around it?

Just trying to make sure mine are installed correctly.
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 05:04:10 PM »
just looking at my ball again and there is a small hole on the side of the slug that goes all the way into that void.. so maybe that circumvents the interior void rule.. but I don't know what "type" of hole this would be under USBC rules.. it isn't technically a vent hole for the thumb..
and also I guess their is space around the slug as well that is created by the shim sleeve..

I emailed the USBC as well. I am interested if they already have an answer for this or if they will try to put something together that sounds shady like most of their responses about their rules.
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 05:15:59 PM »
i just emailed them, i am too interested in their response
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 05:23:25 PM »
Its legal on the pba and also during usbc play.  The vise website clearly states it for both.  I was debating on getting one installed on my next ball.  I see the bottom piece is screwed directly to the ball thus making it part of the ball.  I can't see why its any different from some one who don't use inserts vs who does as long as the specs are legal.  I will never drill a ball without vise grips or a thumb slug.  I'm sure they did there homework even before it was produced.  How the usbc responds back I like to know.  Happy New Years all.
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2009, 05:34:22 PM »
i understand that vises website says that, but i think what we are questioning is the actual determination by the usbc as to how the IT system meets their equipment specifications,obviously the usbc passed it when it was sent to them for inspection but i believe many are questioning that decision.
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 08:04:31 PM »
If you drill at an angle that intersects where the pin enters the core you'll find there is a small void in most balls.  --  JohnP

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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 08:38:17 PM »
agreed john, but that is unintentional
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Re: VISE IT legality
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2009, 04:30:35 PM »
Here are the rules that govern voids in a ball.  Where do they say the void has to be intentional?  --  JohnP

Material:
1. The ball shall be constructed of solid material ie: no
liquids, and without voids in its interior.
2. Any materials added to or included in the coverstock
shall be equally distributed throughout the entire
coverstock of the ball, except for materials used in
logos and other required markings.
3. The density of any piece/component in a ball (i.e.: core,
coverstock, weight block, etc.) shall not exceed
3.80 g/mL (i.e.: no pure metals or high density materials).
4. Following approval of the ball, the introduction of
substances that are not comparable to the original
material used in manufacturing of a bowling ball is
prohibited. Likewise, altering a bowling ball in any
way so as to increase its weight or cause it to be off
balance outside the specifications is prohibited.

Plugs and Designs/Logos:
1. Plugs may be inserted for the purpose of redrilling
the ball.
2. Designs may be imbedded in the ball for guides,
observation, or identification purposes, provided such
designs are flush with the outer surface of the ball.
3. Plugs and Designs/Logos:
1. Plugs may be inserted for the purpose of redrilling
the ball.
2. Designs may be imbedded in the ball for guides,
observation, or identification purposes, provided such
designs are flush with the outer surface of the ball.
3. In all cases there shall be no interior voids.
4. Plugs and designs must be made of material similar to,
although not exactly the same as the original material
of which the ball was made, and shall otherwise
comply with all other specifications for a bowling ball.
5. Density not to exceed 1.5 grams per cubic centimeter.4. Plugs and designs must be made of material similar to,
although not exactly the same as the original material
of which the ball was made, and shall otherwise
comply with all other specifications for a bowling ball.
5. Density not to exceed 1.5 grams per cubic centimeter.