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J_w73 · « **on:** March 04, 2009, 05:08:03 AM »

didn't want to hijack drilllords thread so I started my own..
I was in a similar situation when a guy threw a 300 and when his ball struck he fell to his knees and slammed his elbows/arms onto the approach in celebration.. his elbows where not over the line but his hands/wrists were definately over the line but from my angle I could not tell if they touched the approach...since I wasn't completely positive they touched the approach I didn't bring it up..
If I did see them hit the approach I'm not sure what I would have done. That would be the ultimate D*ck move to take away someones 300 but a rule is a rule.. I think I would have said something.
What would you do??
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

J_w73 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2009, 02:53:50 PM »

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yeah.. you beat me to the rule..

says nothing about the end of the game, last bowler, ball going off the deck.

Edited on 3/4/2009 2:32 PM

Actually, it does say something about last bowler. It says "A ball is in play after a delivery until the same or another player is on the approach in position to make a succeeding delivery."

If he's throwing the last ball of the last frame of the last game, there is no other player on the approach to make a succeeding delivery -- because there is no succeeding delivery at all. Ergo, game over, no foul.

Jess

So what if he sticks and is balancing on his toes.. the ball hits the pins.. strikes, goes off the deck.. and then he steps over he line..

No foul cause he got the strike and the ball is off the deck and there is no succeeding bowler to go??

Or maybe since there is no succeeding delivery possilbe then the last player's ball is in play indefinately.

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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Edited on 3/4/2009 4:09 PM

Edited on 3/4/2009 4:18 PM

mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 04, 2009, 02:58:12 PM »

Anybody that would call this foul is the ultimate D Bag. Common some people may not have a 300 and it could be his first.

JessN16 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:00:41 PM »

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Or since there is no succeeding delivery than the last player's ball is in play indefinately.
I will find out for sure to put this to rest.
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

I'd be shocked if that's the interpretation. If that were the case, the game would technically go on all night long, through the next day, until some 7-year-old kid got up to make a shot during open play (not to mention that the league secretary would have to hang around to make sure the guy didn't break into the bowling alley at 4:27 a.m. to intentionally foul).

Jess

Kid Jete · « **Reply #19 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:00:56 PM »

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yeah.. you beat me to the rule..

says nothing about the end of the game, last bowler, ball going off the deck.

Edited on 3/4/2009 2:32 PM

Actually, it does say something about last bowler. It says "A ball is in play after a delivery until the same or another player is on the approach in position to make a succeeding delivery."

If he's throwing the last ball of the last frame of the last game, there is no other player on the approach to make a succeeding delivery -- because there is no succeeding delivery at all. Ergo, game over, no foul.

Jess

Or since there is no succeeding delivery than the last player's ball is in play indefinately.
I will find out for sure to put this to rest.
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

LOL... whatever floats your boat man. I think I'll go bowl a 300 tonight in league and before we start bowling next week I'll do a belly flop over the foul line for the 290. Seriously try to be a little more rational here.

J_w73 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:11:31 PM »

what you are saying is being irrational..?
so what response do you have about the sticking and not crossing until after the ball struck.. foul or no foul?

you may not have read that part as I was editing.
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Edited on 3/4/2009 4:12 PM

J_w73 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:16:55 PM »

USBC says there is no time limit. It would be a foul. A bowler over the foul line for any reason after a delivery is usually a foul unless they get permission to retrieve something.
but it would be subjective. If it was obvious that the bowler was in control and did not touch the lane as a result of his delivery then it wouldn't be a foul. The USBC can't have a rule for every situation.

all of these things were said as an answer.

so basically the USBC left it open to interpretation.
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

nospareball · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:46:16 PM »

Guy throws a 300, turns around, raises his hands in victory, then clutches his chest and sprawls out on the lane unconscious. Is that a foul?
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J_w73 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:01:51 PM »

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Guy throws a 300, turns around, raises his hands in victory, then clutches his chest and sprawls out on the lane unconscious. Is that a foul?
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-Clint

sucks ... but yes.
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

JessN16 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:09:28 PM »

Let me tell you what I'm going to do in a situation like this if I ever see it happen...

1) After I check to see if the guy is OK, I'm going to walk straight over to the computer console...

2) Push "change score," "first ball," "X"...

3) Congratulate him on his 300 and dare anyone to say otherwise.

There are rules, and then there is legalism. And there's a difference between the two. People who don't understand that difference usually get it explained to them at some point by someone while they're trying to be One-Bullet Barney.

Not making accusations, I'm just sayin'.

Jess

mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:26:53 PM »

Anyone know how to submit a question to USBC for clarification? Just a thought.

GutterByArrows · « **Reply #26 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:27:16 PM »

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what you are saying is being irrational..?
so what response do you have about the sticking and not crossing until after the ball struck.. foul or no foul?

you may not have read that part as I was editing.
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Here's my situation...
J_w73 is bowling in his local men's league and after stringing the front 11, buries the pocket for the 12th strike. In celebration I run up to him on the approach and tackle him across the foul line "accidentally". The honest man he is, he of course calls his own foul because as he said earlier, a rule is a rule, right?

Not trying to be irrational or anything, this is a totally viable situation.

J_w73 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:29:36 PM »

known epileptic guy has a mini seisure during his 12th ball approach .. his foot goes over the line, but he gets the ball off and gets a strike.. gonna give him that one too..??

there are a million "what if" scenarios
It is still a foul regardless. I guess I'm the d*ck.
I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand.
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

J_w73 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:31:14 PM »

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Anyone know how to submit a question to USBC for clarification? Just a thought.

Just called them.. I posted their response..
A response in writing might be a little more precise though.

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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Edited on 3/4/2009 5:32 PM

J_w73 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:37:25 PM »

quote:
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what you are saying is being irrational..?
so what response do you have about the sticking and not crossing until after the ball struck.. foul or no foul?

you may not have read that part as I was editing.
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Here's my situation...
J_w73 is bowling in his local men's league and after stringing the front 11, buries the pocket for the 12th strike. In celebration I run up to him on the approach and tackle him across the foul line "accidentally". The honest man he is, he of course calls his own foul because as he said earlier, a rule is a rule, right?

Not trying to be irrational or anything, this is a totally viable situation.

That is a good one... and that is why the rule book needs to be more clear about certain situations. Like.. "person goes over the line on their own accord" "or once ball is in the pit the turn is over"
I just don't think the rules should be ambiguous and alot of the USBC rules are left to interpretation.

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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

JessN16 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:41:01 PM »

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quote:
Anyone know how to submit a question to USBC for clarification? Just a thought.

Just called them.. I posted their response..
A response in writing might be a little more precise though.

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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

Edited on 3/4/2009 5:32 PM

Here's what you just wrote that the USBC said:

"USBC says there is no time limit. It would be a foul. A bowler over the foul line for any reason after a delivery is usually a foul unless they get permission to retrieve something.
but it would be subjective. If it was obvious that the bowler was in control and did not touch the lane as a result of his delivery then it wouldn't be a foul. The USBC can't have a rule for every situation."

You've answered your own question -- not a foul. And if you did want to "be a d*ck" even after knowing this, then you would be overruled.

Jess

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