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JOE FALCO

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Winter league Lineage fees!
« on: August 16, 2007, 12:30:48 PM »
I've been bowling in an AMF house in Raleigh NC on Wednesday night league for the last 6 years. The manager of the house called me today to advise that line fees would be $9 and will increase in November (when new scoring system is installed) to $9.35.

Is this the going rate for leagues?

I always said that things like this is what's killing bowling .. I'm thinking seriously of cutting down my 4 leagues per week this year!

ON EDIT! Cutting down on leagues will certainly cut down the number of balls I buy!

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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2007, 07:46:01 AM »
My house went up this year to $12.95 a week in linage league fee went from $23 to $25 a week.

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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2007, 07:46:29 AM »
JoeBowler .. I'll accept your comment and ignore the OLD CHEAPSKATE comment .. Thanks!
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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2007, 07:57:11 AM »
It's called keeping up with the times and the normal rate of inflation. Dig in and don't be so tight. If you think that's too much go play some golf.

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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2007, 07:57:58 AM »
I feel that linage should never ever be more then the listed price for open bowling.  If a house has a listed price, (most do) and has a discounted rate for certain times, that discounted rate shuld be the linage fee, example, open bowling is 4/game on fridays, but only 3.00 thru the week, no league should be above 9 bucks linage, just my opinion, it used to be leagues got the good price everywhere, Why? because it is guaranteed money to the house, no matter what the league signed a contract, if a team drops it still gets paid

We are fortunate, our linage for leagues is about 2.00 to 2.50 a game so our league prices are all below 15

proprietors are getting greedy with linage of 4.00+ per game, the leagues are making up for their open bowling shorage no matter what they say.  If say an AMF house is making more with open bowling,then why do they still discount prices during the day or early weekends?  because they are not busy Leagues are now making that up for them via linage that is over the posted prices on the wall.  12.00 linage amounts to 4.00 bucks a game, I dont see alleys making it without lagues, and if htey shut out leagues alleys are only going to be open friday,saturday and sunday.  leagues are still the bread and butter of houses and unfortunately instead of treating leagues like thier best customers, proprietors are starting to gouge those good customers.  how long does an owner think he will keep a league when the leagues pays more then the open bowlers do?
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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2007, 08:06:00 AM »
Joe you problem is you always act like it is all income and they have not exspense.

They built a new faciility here, 32 lanes, cost over 4 MILLION to build. If I had 4 million i would expect to make at least 5% on the money. That is over $200,000 in interest on capital. If you borrow your probably paying 7% for $300,000 a year. And that is no principal payment.

How are your utilities? Hve they gone up lately? Those caverenous barns are not cheap to heat, cool, run the machines, parts, labor. Automatic scores used to be about 5 to 10 grand a pair.

That 4% increase in lineage is $6000 a year in your example. To pay increases in utilities, minimum wage, insurance, etc.

Yes there are manyother source of cash stream. Snack bar, video games, candy, shoes, etc.

MagicCarpet had a post a while back about the cost of running a center. I ccodn't do better. Most centers are going broke, I dont know anyone getting rich.

$9.50 for 2 to 3 hours activity seems pretty cheap to me.


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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2007, 08:16:12 AM »
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Joe you problem is you always act like it is all income and they have not exspense.

They built a new faciility here, 32 lanes, cost over 4 MILLION to build. If I had 4 million i would expect to make at least 5% on the money. That is over $200,000 in interest on capital. If you borrow your probably paying 7% for $300,000 a year. And that is no principal payment.

How are your utilities? Hve they gone up lately? Those caverenous barns are not cheap to heat, cool, run the machines, parts, labor. Automatic scores used to be about 5 to 10 grand a pair.

That 4% increase in lineage is $6000 a year in your example. To pay increases in utilities, minimum wage, insurance, etc.

Yes there are manyother source of cash stream. Snack bar, video games, candy, shoes, etc.

MagicCarpet had a post a while back about the cost of running a center. I ccodn't do better. Most centers are going broke, I dont know anyone getting rich.

$9.50 for 2 to 3 hours activity seems pretty cheap to me.




I agree that costs will need to be adjusted for these types of things, BUT I still contend that in no way shape or form should a league be paying more in linage then OPEN bowling
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JoeBowler

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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2007, 08:44:10 AM »
Triggerman for the most part I agree that league lineage should be no more than open lineage.

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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2007, 09:10:51 AM »
Yeah, heaven forbid they upgrade to make bowling better
for you and want to pay for it.  Who says they shouldn't
get a raise every year just like you do.  You know that if
you didn't get a raise every year, you would be raising
hell.

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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2007, 09:18:09 AM »
We pay $17.00 per night, with $10.95 going to lineage:
14 teams x 5 bowlers x 34 weeks x $10.95 our leauge will be giving the house $26061.00 for the year, that just one league, this is a 48 lane house

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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2007, 10:08:48 AM »
Last year it was $20 in league fees.  $11.75 in lineage, $0.75 in secretary fee, and $0.35 for misc supplies (any extra went back to prize fund - in lieu of selling 50/50 raffle tickets).

We had 28 teams, 5 bowlers per team, and 35 or 36 weeks.

We finished in 18th place and got $90 per bowler.

Each year they raise lineage - when I started in 2004 it was $11.05, then 11.20, then 11.35.
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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2007, 10:24:38 AM »
I bowl in here in Goldsboro, NC @ AMF Boulevard Lanes and our lineage to going to $ 9.35 this fall. With us bowling the Tarheel Classic on Tuesday night and Friday night, that means $ 9.35 + 5.00 for Tarheel + secretary fee of $ .35 = $ 14.70 before any price money, so I am figuring we will pay probably $ 17.00 a week at least. I guess all things have to go up but man it is going to be really tuff to bowl 2 leagues a week thats for sure. Lucky for me my tournament I host in January they are still keeping the lineage the same for that this year.
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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2007, 12:04:10 PM »
Demo40 .. funny you should bring up raises (salary increases). I retired in 1995 .. my pension is 68% of what I was earning in 1995. Cost of living has gone up considerable since then but I continue to get 68% of 1995's salary.

Others have mentioned expenses .. one of those items is INSURANCE .. many of you may not remember but years ago INSURANCE was the initial reason for raising the LINE fee .. since then the fee has been jumping like crazy!

Is it justified .. like everything else .. depends on who is talking!

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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2007, 12:26:01 PM »
Up to $12 this year. I figure that it will go up every year. It was $9 when I started bowling there. The bad part is rumor has it that they are going to raise the drink prices!!
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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2007, 12:36:29 PM »
Joe-
I think those on a fixed income are hurting the most when it comes to increases in league fees.  I see more and more of the seniors bowling the Sr Leagues in the morning and early afternoon and giving up the night leagues.  The Sr. leagues have the lowest fees and they are given perks the night league bowlers do not get.  Many of the Sr Leagues give game passes weekly and they get free sodas and coffee during league.  Oh and you are NOT a cheapskate.

As far as guaranteed amounts the house gets no matter if a team drops, this is not always the case where I bowl.  When a person or team drops everything possible is done to fill the spot or spots.  If they go unfilled, all the house keeps is the amount of prize fund already paid by the person/team.  The league does not lose additional funds.  There are many times the amount of shortages exceeds the prize fund accumulated and the house eats it.  This may be a part of the "expenses."  

I will also say my home center is kept in good condition and improvements are made regularly, so at least we see some of the added fees in use.  BTW we usually see a $0.50 increase in linage every year or 2. The leagues often increase league fees by $1 and the extra increases the prize fund.
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Re: Winter league Lineage fees!
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2007, 04:50:17 PM »
People paying 20 bucks a week or something stupid like that, that's ridiculous.