Author Topic: You really think the PBA bowlers are the best..? (Read 7120 times)

302efi · « **on:** November 09, 2007, 04:54:10 PM »

I see all these people saying how great they are and knowing when to adjust ect...but yet I still them shoot sub 200 games on TV and in match play.

The pros bowl on the same 5 patterns week in and out, shouldn't they have mastered the patterns by now ?

We should expect them to shoot 260+ every game, no ?

"The best in the world" I keep hearing...

Same names over and over, WRW, PDW, PBIII, TJ blah blah blah

There plenty of guys that don't (or didn't) turn pro that would clean house on the tour. A guy like Tim Mack would wreck havoc on Tour in IMO.

Any thoughts on this?

(I'm not talking about the guys that only avg 200 and get a PBA card just for the ball discounts)
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revTrex · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2007, 01:07:48 AM »

Tim Mack tried the Tour.

He didn't clean house. In fact, he barely got by. Granted, I think he got injured around that time, but he wasn't doing well before that.

I agree that the top amateurs in the world would do pretty well. Guys like Osku, Belmonte, Moor, etc. But only those -- I don't think somebody in the second-tier of world amateurs (i.e., Dominic Barrett, though I like the kid) would fair well.

But, you also have to remember that a ton of non-exempts try a tour stop each year. Of those that reach the round of 64, how many get into the round of 32? How many reach television? How many that win a title go on to remain competitive? In recent memory, you have two examples of a non-exempt winning -- Rash and Mineman. Only one -- Rash -- has and will remain competitive. I don't see Mineman kicking it into high gear (he's a nice guy, though, don't get me wrong).

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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2007, 01:08:28 AM »

I have bowled with 2 different high roller champs and a multiple team usa member subbing on his team, these guy's are professional amateur's. They are great bowlers and place well in every regional they bowl, but to be very honest they are not the best in the world or they would still be out there.

The 2 high roller champ's have attempted to bowl on the national tour, one made a few show's in the 1980's he is great bowler and even a better person. He knows how hard it is just make match play let alone win the event on the tv show, he says the pattern breaks down from the lights in few frames not games.

The other high roller champ made match play a few times and never really pursued it that badly, he is now happily married making huge dollars as stock trader. He does not care about being on tour and is just happy to bowl once in awhile, in fact he is so good he was bowling left handed not even righty when he won the high roller he won righty but hardly practiced when he won.

The team usa member bowls around the world and probably makes 75-100k from bowling and being a storm staffer besides running a pro shop business. One of the nicest guy's that graces the lanes, even when i sucked it up on his team he was only nice to me. I think he could make it on tour if he really tried but why should when he is doing everything he wants to right now.

But with all that being said i have watched the pro's close up and think they would beat these guy's on a normal basis, they know these guys well and respect there games but know they can take them most of time.

HamPster · « **Reply #3 on:** November 10, 2007, 02:25:29 AM »

Wow . . I'm sorry, but that was such an ignorant post that I'm not even going to go there. Just . . wow.
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gsback · « **Reply #4 on:** November 10, 2007, 04:50:52 AM »

HamPster,

How is that an ignorant post? I see nothing bad in what was stated and it's really a question more so than anything.

If Bones posted this, there would be 20 replies commenting, that's the thing.
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Mark T. Trgovac · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2007, 05:10:48 AM »

The only thing I have to say about all this is the statement made about, how if they bowled on each of these 5 shots week after week shouldnt they master them. The thing there is no they shouldnt. If then bowled every part of the event on the arena lanes then yes I would see how but they dont. They bowl most of the events in a normal center, that may have the same lanes as another center they were in. However each center has a track area and that area on the lanes no matter the surface you bowl on will break down different then the rest of the lane and at a completly different time. You may have a house that example:

50 year old wood, normal house shot is 45', and the track area is 12-8. This house will play the shark durring the week, with 2-4 boards more room to the right then the same 50 year old wood lanes with a track area that is unside 12 board. That house would play the shark closer to normal and maybe even tighter outside. I think that track area on a lane was shown last year with Duke and where he played the one week. Never count out track area, and heck be the break down speed if you are on guardian. That stuff can kill head oil, and even cause backend reaction to go away faster then a pool of water in the desert.
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86camaroman · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2007, 06:34:06 AM »

I just want to say these guys are the best in the world. If you watch them they will shoot one maybe 2 games under 200 during match play. Most are mid 200s second I noticed your average on a pba league. notice how it was 30 pins lower then your house shot league. Each shot will play slightly different at each center. They arent bowling at the same place like we do in league day in and day out. Also they are averaging 220plus for the year on these conditions. They make these shots look like house shots to us. But in reality they are that good accurate. Yes they will have a bad game once lanes transition then they pick it right back up the next game when they find it again. You would just have to bowl on the stuff to see how it is. Also your pba league while it is a sport shot unless they have the right equipment and oils will still be easier then a true pba pattern. I know been there done that.

« **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2007, 07:16:34 AM »

If anyone thinks they're better than the tour players then they should lace 'em up and prove it.

Mastering the 5 PBA patterns just isn't going to happen very often because you can put the same pattern on different lane surfaces, even using different lane conditioner (oil), and they will definitely play differently.

Guys like Norm Duke (and others) are amazing because they can be hitting the pocket and scoring, but still take a giant step left and start hooking the lane and start scoring even better. What did they see that allowed them the courage to do that, and do it when the risk is high (not league play)?

That is only one example of why they're so good. The tour does have some bowlers who seem "one dimensional" because when we see them they're doing the same old line to the pocket, etc., but in actuality, I'd be willing to bet that every one of them can make a huge change on the lane and still find a way to excel.

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The SuperHitMan · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2007, 07:46:14 AM »

If Bones posted this, there would be 20 replies commenting, that's the thing.

More like 40-50 replies. Maybe its just me but bones posts the same questions/topics but words them differently.

I expect them to because they are professionals but I also know that high scoring events (Jaros's 814) won't happen to often because the PBA won't allow it. Its no different from expecting Kobe to score 30 points are Brady to throw 4 TDs, part of the fun in watching the pros play is because they can do something that you can't do but its not like that in the PBA. A bowler can earn a honor score ring before they earn the Stanley Cup, Lombardi Trophy, or the NBA ring.

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Hogsharley · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2007, 08:43:27 AM »

PBA bowlers are the best in the world. Period! Yeah, there may be one or two premier players that have not tried the tour for whatever reason (really not alot of money to be made) but the PBA is MLB, NFL, NBA and NHL of bowling.

I know of a bunch of 230 plus bowlers that thought they had the right stuff and tried the US Open last year. What a humbling experience. Not one was over 190 with one of them at 153. They said that they could not find a line to play and when they finally found that line, they had only about 3 boards of room to hit it.
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toomanytenpins · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2007, 10:31:26 AM »

after joining a pba league and watching 215 bowlers humbled to the 140 range,aftrer shooting on a few tougher oil patterns and seeing my stuff go 60 and then seeing a pro shoot800 on the same shot,having bowled the same lanes as billy o and Eugene Mccune I have nothing but respect for everyone on tour .Their skill is phenomenal. Not in a jump out of the gym sort of way ,but in a way that they have found a way to do a thing better than the avg. person .There are good bowlers around ,no doubt ,but the first chance you get ,ask one of em why the havent tried the tour.Its not all skill .And it takes more than skill to be a champion in any sport. Any one can pick up a basketball ,but there is only 1 Jordan. You can go right now and pick up a foot ball But i dont think brettes records are in danger or his ability in question. You continually hear Wrw and PDW for a reason . The reason is that over the years they have done a thing better than the avg. person on a consistent and yes dominant basis. There are many of Billy O's pears in this area but none of them had the mentality or desire to go the extra mile to see how good they are. Being a pro doesnt mean you are perfect ,it means ,to me,that on the larger scale you are at the top and at any given moment on a pretty regular basis someone is going to be a poster child for your greatness. Most of us dont even qualify for that . I have nothing bit respect for these guys. I dont knolw them personally but that doesnt matter i know that they make a living doing something i can only do for fun i.e Derek jeter, A Rod ,Mike tyson,Kobe Bryant ,yeah i think they are better.
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Rileybowler · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2007, 11:10:19 AM »

Maybe its me but I personally think that they make very good money , Walter Ray has made almost 4 million and a lot of the bowlers have made over a million and thats not counting money from sponsors and the companies that they use their equipment. Oh and yes they are the best in the world , there are a lot of dreamers out there who think that they are good but in reality they aren't as good as they think. In a lot of the champiohship matches the lanes brek down so fast and one lane is different from another and sometimes they have to play 2 different lines on same pair and 2 different balls on same pair and they are extremely good at it or they wouldn't be where they are
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Monster Pike · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2007, 11:18:50 AM »

You can't only go by their TV scores, which some times are pretty awesome, but their Qualifying rounds during the week. Some guys throw 300 games to get to the finals. Also the added pressure of TV & excitement of the fans watching your every move. Cmon, put yourself in your league play and everybody stops just to watch your game, the entire way through, with people sitting up the sides & cheering your opponent as well. Sorry, but there are no better than the PBA.
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Stever5000 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2007, 11:23:33 AM »

Speaking of Tim Mack..

He comes by about twice a week to see Brenda (his wife) and his kid, so he brings his gear and practices too. I put out Shark for him to practice on last week, and he ended up averaging about 241 for fifteen games. I haven't been given the chance to mingle with many pros and watch them bowl for extended amounts of time, but Tim is miles away from anyone I've ever met on the lanes.

Oh, and Maximum Bob is coming to town soon, too. It's like an early Christmas for me.
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bass · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2007, 11:32:39 AM »

The exempt players are some of the best bowlers in the world.

Period.

All you have to do is look at their performance in non PBA events.
Like the USBC MASTERS.
It's not a PBA pattern.
Those guys can flat out bowl.
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