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nadertime78

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Motiv Future
« on: March 15, 2016, 11:38:58 PM »
I didn't see this in the Jackal post, but my question is can Motiv survive this financially?

Been using just Motiv for over a year now and seeing any sort downward trend in the products or change in ownership would suck.




 

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2016, 01:33:14 PM »
Every food recall I saw we were either reimbursed the cost of the food or a voucher was sent for a replacement product.

I understand the no reimbursement of waiting at the dealer, but charging to drill the replacement ball is like you being charged labor at the dealer to make the change for the recall. How would you feel if on top of taking time off to go to the dealer, the dealer then hands you a bill to replace/change something? And says you have to pay before you get your car back? I don't know of a single PSO that sads hey take the ball and pay in a few weeks. You have to pay before you get your ball. 

That is what Motiv is doing here. They are leaving the consumer or the PSO (right now at least) holding the bag on this.  You are not going to get reimbursed for the time you spend in the shop waiting for the replacement ball to be drilled, but no way should you be charged on the labor to make the issue right.

Our supermarket called us recently with an automated message based on our purchase of a recalled poultry item (they had the info from the bonus card we use there.)  The message said we had recently purchased stuffed, frozen chicken breasts that were being recalled due to salmonella contamination.  The message said to immediately discard the items.  They then thanked us for being customers and the recording ended.  No compensation offered.

All car manufacturers are different.  There was one recall on my car that required replacing the thermostat.  In doing that, some coolant ran out.  The dealer replaced the thermostat and housing under the recall, but I was charged for topping off the coolant that came out as a result of replacing the thermostat.

My PSO allows me to pay later on certain things if I want to.  For example, say I go in and get grips replaced on a couple of balls and pick up some cleaner.  Then I order a new ball at the same time.  My PSO will frequently just say "pay for everything when you pick up the new ball next week."  I don't like doing that so I pay for the grips and cleaner the same day, then pay for the new ball when I pick it up later.

Every situation is different.  Motiv is going to replace the balls.  A great deal for people who have more than a year on their original Jackal and/or hundreds of games on their equipment.  It would be the same if the ball cracked in the track area due to a bad pour or poorly cured cover stock.  A crack in the track makes the ball illegal for use in USBC competition.  Motiv would replace the ball, but not reimburse the drilling cost.

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2016, 01:41:25 PM »
If Motiv knew that certification was going to be revoked, why would they spend millions producing these balls and continue to sell them?  How do you get them for false or misleading advertising?  They were selling a product that USBC had certified.  So what they're being accused of then is intentionally cheating, scamming, misleading or flat out deceiving their customers risking this happening over one THOUSANDTH of a point in differential?  This argument has NO validity and lacks common sense.  It amounts to an unfortunate manufacturing error/issue, nothing more, nothing less.  Step off the soapbox and think for a moment. 

I did read the box. Box says USBC approved because it meets ALL USBC regulations. Ball was found to not meet said regulations as advertised on box. Ball was supposed to meet USBC specs before I put holes in the ball. Ball did not.

Ok, so get Motiv for false or misleading advertisement? I drilled the ball based on assurance from the company the ball was approved for all sanctioned competition. Period. Why would I want a ball in my arsenal that when I go to league/state/nationals I could not use? Thus, if I knew going in the ball would not be USBC certified, I would not have purchased the product.



I think you have a very good argument.  I bet you would win if you took them to small claims court.  I think the statement in your post is enough for you to win the case right there. Nothing else needs to be said.  Is it worth $50 or so, probably not.  I would write Motiv a nice letter stating exactly your point of view and see what they do about it.  They probably aren't going to give $50 to every one that bought the ball (unless they are made to by a court) , but they might make good on an individual unsatisfied customer that took the time to sit down and write them a letter.
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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2016, 02:04:38 PM »
For everyone who thinks Motiv should pay for drilling expenses, what would your response be if you were given a pro-rated value on the ball back instead of a brand new ball to replace your possibly worn out bowling ball?  If it's 1 year old you might get $75 towards a ball with drilling expenses covered.  Or you could just accept that you get a new ball to replace your used ball which you still get to keep for practice...non-sanctioned events...etc...

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2016, 02:16:47 PM »
If Motiv knew that certification was going to be revoked, why would they spend millions producing these balls and continue to sell them?  How do you get them for false or misleading advertising?  They were selling a product that USBC had certified.  So what they're being accused of then is intentionally cheating, scamming, misleading or flat out deceiving their customers risking this happening over one THOUSANDTH of a point in differential?  This argument has NO validity and lacks common sense.  It amounts to an unfortunate manufacturing error/issue, nothing more, nothing less.  Step off the soapbox and think for a moment. 

I did read the box. Box says USBC approved because it meets ALL USBC regulations. Ball was found to not meet said regulations as advertised on box. Ball was supposed to meet USBC specs before I put holes in the ball. Ball did not.

Ok, so get Motiv for false or misleading advertisement? I drilled the ball based on assurance from the company the ball was approved for all sanctioned competition. Period. Why would I want a ball in my arsenal that when I go to league/state/nationals I could not use? Thus, if I knew going in the ball would not be USBC certified, I would not have purchased the product.



I think you have a very good argument.  I bet you would win if you took them to small claims court.  I think the statement in your post is enough for you to win the case right there. Nothing else needs to be said.  Is it worth $50 or so, probably not.  I would write Motiv a nice letter stating exactly your point of view and see what they do about it.  They probably aren't going to give $50 to every one that bought the ball (unless they are made to by a court) , but they might make good on an individual unsatisfied customer that took the time to sit down and write them a letter.
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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2016, 03:11:50 PM »
Maybe I missed something, but the announcement I read from Motiv stated they will be announcing what they plan to do to remedy this foul up, maybe as early as next week.  Until they tell us what they propose all the posts here are conjecture.  Good reading and some very good ideas, but all may be for not, based on Motiv's pending announcement.
I for one can wait a week or so for their announcement.  Then I will let my feelings on this mess be known.

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2016, 03:18:16 PM »
I have a question.Do we get the games back we lost to guys throwing these so called illegal balls.This is a very interesting situation.Or wait the money that Gary Faulkner won on the PBA using it.Just throwing that out there.We have several guys throwing the original jackal and it has been out awhile.Think i'll really confuse my association president tonight.
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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2016, 03:35:38 PM »
Whoever expects Motiv to pay for drilling fees is out of their minds...How about the usbc pays for the drillings since they approved the balls in the first place? Also if Motiv went Chapter 11 (which they wont) we wouldnt even get a replacement ball.
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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2016, 03:41:25 PM »
I have a question.Do we get the games back we lost to guys throwing these so called illegal balls.This is a very interesting situation.Or wait the money that Gary Faulkner won on the PBA using it.Just throwing that out there.We have several guys throwing the original jackal and it has been out awhile.Think i'll really confuse my association president tonight.

It was approved for use through 3/14/2016 - any scores bowled with the ball before then are fine.  They were approved for use during that window. 

Nothing else matters. 



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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2016, 03:45:25 PM »
I did read the box. Box says USBC approved because it meets ALL USBC regulations. Ball was found to not meet said regulations as advertised on box. Ball was supposed to meet USBC specs before I put holes in the ball. Ball did not.

Ok, so get Motiv for false or misleading advertisement? I drilled the ball based on assurance from the company the ball was approved for all sanctioned competition. Period. Why would I want a ball in my arsenal that when I go to league/state/nationals I could not use? Thus, if I knew going in the ball would not be USBC certified, I would not have purchased the product.

Wow... You are a complete CHEAP IDIOT. Tell me where I can send you a check for whatever you paid for drilling and stop whining! For people like you this country is becoming a joke!

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2016, 03:48:13 PM »
I have a question.Do we get the games back we lost to guys throwing these so called illegal balls.This is a very interesting situation.Or wait the money that Gary Faulkner won on the PBA using it.Just throwing that out there.We have several guys throwing the original jackal and it has been out awhile.Think i'll really confuse my association president tonight.

Per the announcement from the USBC:
"Bowlers who used the Jackal or Jackal Carnage in competition on or before March 15, 2016 with no prior knowledge of their ball being out of specification would not be subject to forfeiture under USBC rules."

Previously bowled games/series in USBC sanctioned competition remain as is.

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2016, 03:59:17 PM »
Agreed.  If you get the games back you lost, wouldn't you have to give back the games you won?  Trust me, taking 1000 grit to something is going to make far more of a difference than an extra .001 in differential.  Not to mention after drilling and a P3 or P4 hole, a "legal" pre drilling diff may end up very illegal after holes are in it, but you're ok with that, however not ok if one of the .061 pre drilling balls ends up at .059 after . . "Logic . . why don't they teach logic in these schools . ."

Had a guy using an OG Jackal last night in our SCRATCH league, but no one said anything because he struggled to 550 with it.  I'm sure if people had to give up some big scores, there's quite a few not so big scores they wouldn't mind going off their record at the same time . . and how on earth do you track that anyway?  "Oh hey, USBC needs a list of all the games you bowled with your Jackal and/or Jackal Carnage, the exact games/series, and dates they were bowled so they can be expunged."  I don't remember the exact games I bowled LAST NIGHT let alone anything before that, LET ALONE FURTHER what balls I bowled them with.  Just going through and removing honor scores would in no way, shape, or form be fair in the least. 

I have a question.Do we get the games back we lost to guys throwing these so called illegal balls.This is a very interesting situation.Or wait the money that Gary Faulkner won on the PBA using it.Just throwing that out there.We have several guys throwing the original jackal and it has been out awhile.Think i'll really confuse my association president tonight.

It was approved for use through 3/14/2016 - any scores bowled with the ball before then are fine.  They were approved for use during that window. 

Nothing else matters.
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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2016, 04:02:21 PM »
Agreed.  If you get the games back you lost, wouldn't you have to give back the games you won?  Trust me, taking 1000 grit to something is going to make far more of a difference than an extra .001 in differential.  Not to mention after drilling and a P3 or P4 hole, a "legal" pre drilling diff may end up very illegal after holes are in it, but you're ok with that, however not ok if one of the .061 pre drilling balls ends up at .059 after . . "Logic . . why don't they teach logic in these schools . ."

Had a guy using an OG Jackal last night in our SCRATCH league, but no one said anything because he struggled to 550 with it.  I'm sure if people had to give up some big scores, there's quite a few not so big scores they wouldn't mind going off their record at the same time . . and how on earth do you track that anyway?  "Oh hey, USBC needs a list of all the games you bowled with your Jackal and/or Jackal Carnage, the exact games/series, and dates they were bowled so they can be expunged."  I don't remember the exact games I bowled LAST NIGHT let alone anything before that, LET ALONE FURTHER what balls I bowled them with.  Just going through and removing honor scores would in no way, shape, or form be fair in the least. 

I have a question.Do we get the games back we lost to guys throwing these so called illegal balls.This is a very interesting situation.Or wait the money that Gary Faulkner won on the PBA using it.Just throwing that out there.We have several guys throwing the original jackal and it has been out awhile.Think i'll really confuse my association president tonight.

It was approved for use through 3/14/2016 - any scores bowled with the ball before then are fine.  They were approved for use during that window. 

Nothing else matters.
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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2016, 04:03:02 PM »
Per the announcement from the USBC:
"Bowlers who used the Jackal or Jackal Carnage in competition on or before March 15, 2016 with no prior knowledge of their ball being out of specification would not be subject to forfeiture under USBC rules."

Previously bowled games/series in USBC sanctioned competition remain as is.

So it actually was legal to use it last night in league.

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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2016, 04:21:58 PM »
Good catch . .

Per the announcement from the USBC:
"Bowlers who used the Jackal or Jackal Carnage in competition on or before March 15, 2016 with no prior knowledge of their ball being out of specification would not be subject to forfeiture under USBC rules."

Previously bowled games/series in USBC sanctioned competition remain as is.

So it actually was legal to use it last night in league.
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Re: Motiv Future
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2016, 04:23:09 PM »
Lol they need to add a like button on the site . .

Agreed.  If you get the games back you lost, wouldn't you have to give back the games you won?  Trust me, taking 1000 grit to something is going to make far more of a difference than an extra .001 in differential.  Not to mention after drilling and a P3 or P4 hole, a "legal" pre drilling diff may end up very illegal after holes are in it, but you're ok with that, however not ok if one of the .061 pre drilling balls ends up at .059 after . . "Logic . . why don't they teach logic in these schools . ."

Had a guy using an OG Jackal last night in our SCRATCH league, but no one said anything because he struggled to 550 with it.  I'm sure if people had to give up some big scores, there's quite a few not so big scores they wouldn't mind going off their record at the same time . . and how on earth do you track that anyway?  "Oh hey, USBC needs a list of all the games you bowled with your Jackal and/or Jackal Carnage, the exact games/series, and dates they were bowled so they can be expunged."  I don't remember the exact games I bowled LAST NIGHT let alone anything before that, LET ALONE FURTHER what balls I bowled them with.  Just going through and removing honor scores would in no way, shape, or form be fair in the least. 

I have a question.Do we get the games back we lost to guys throwing these so called illegal balls.This is a very interesting situation.Or wait the money that Gary Faulkner won on the PBA using it.Just throwing that out there.We have several guys throwing the original jackal and it has been out awhile.Think i'll really confuse my association president tonight.

It was approved for use through 3/14/2016 - any scores bowled with the ball before then are fine.  They were approved for use during that window. 

Nothing else matters.
Again IZTPS, you are on FIRE!
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