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DON DRAPER

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williams., jr. beats weber......again
« on: November 02, 2007, 11:51:44 AM »
walter ray williams, jr., continues to own pete weber in matchplay competition by beating him 4 games to 0 in the round of 8. williams, jr. beat weber by an average of 53 pins per game in games of 246-182, 247-160, 268-237, and 246-215. on sundays telecast walter ray will take on jeff lizzi who beat edward vandaniker 4 games to 0.

 

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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 07:58:49 PM »
Walter had this whole tournament won after qualifying. He does well at this house and is easily beating everyone. I would be shocked if he does not win this tournament.

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 08:14:57 PM »
it's obvious that he bowled well during qualifying and matchplay. whether the house has anything to do with it is a matter of debate. the viper pattern is 37' in length and is a pattern where you can play multiple angles. if he doesn't perform well on sunday all his success during the week means very little. i think if you asked him that he would agree.

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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 08:18:49 PM »
But, Greg, did you see in the round of 16, WRW and Tommy DeLutz tied at 268 ! in the 7th game. WRW must have won the roll-off. BRUTAL! DeLutz's comeback was surely dealt another blow by that encounter.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 08:42:57 PM »
It's a lock.

Last 2 qualifiers: Koivuniemi and Eugene McKune.
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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 09:23:50 PM »
Is this the year Walter Ray dominate's the entire season?  This guy is so freaking good it's just plain sick!

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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2007, 01:30:23 PM »
well rick, i seem to remember two us opens where walter ray won playing between the third and fourth arrows....and he made it look easy. weber was on the telecast in 2002-2003 but didn't bowl good enough to meet williams in the final. in his first us open win in 1998 he had games of 233 and 221. the second, in 2002-2003, he shot 236 in the title match. not bad for a 40' flat oil pattern.

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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2007, 02:23:10 PM »
Walter Ray is the BEST plain and simple. Please stop comparing anyone to him including Norm Duke!!! His career speaks for itself.

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2007, 05:10:49 PM »
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Walter Ray is the BEST plain and simple. Please stop comparing anyone to him including Norm Duke!!! His career speaks for itself.




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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2007, 05:40:56 PM »
Walter has the most TITLES. That doesn't make him "the best" automatically.

Ask just about anybody who has the best game, and they will say Weber. Ask Hardwick, ask Carter, ask just about any of the truly experienced bowlers, and they will say Weber. If it wasn't for his head, and his problems in the 90s, he would have easily surpassed everybody. When he is on (think last year's U.S. Open), he is unstoppable -- he does things nobody else can do.

Norm Duke is right up there today, but I don't think you can put him as the best ever.

Looking back, you've got to say Carter, then the original Weber. You'd do a great disservice to bowling history, too, to not consider Smith, Varipapa, Gengler, Marino, etc. Then a little later, you've got Anthony, Roth, and those guys...it would be difficult, in my mind, to call Williams the best ever.

Just my .02.

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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2007, 05:44:51 PM »
Williams is not the best ever, and most pro's will agree with that. Revtrex is pretty accurate in his comments. Don't forget Earl Anthony, and what he had done before all this new technology came out. Not sure if I can say who the best ever is, but certainly not Walter Ray.

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2007, 09:51:59 PM »
I don't think anyone can be called the best ever!  Plus it's too hard to compare era's.  

Walter Ray Willams is a great bowler.  I would put my money on him against anyone in the PBA.  Weber is a great bowler as well but in my mind is not as good as WRW.  That's just my opinion.  Has Weber ever beat WRW head to head?  I don't think he's had much success against WRW.

I also like NOrm Duke.  I think he's right up there with both Weber and WRW.

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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2007, 09:52:31 PM »
the highest level of bowling in the world is the pba tour.....plain and simple. if a player doesn't bowl the pba tour, no matter how good he is or where else he has won, his ability is in question. when you have won on the pba tour you have arrived as a bowler. when you are a multi-titleist on the pba tour you are really a good player. when you are a multi-titleist and have won several majors you are a great player. when you have won 42 times and 7 of those are majors and you are in the pba and usbc halls of fame and you have won more money than any other player you are considered the best. that player happens to be walter ray williams, jr. someday it might not be. but for now it is.

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2007, 10:08:49 PM »
^^^^

Greg, Walter has won more tournaments than Anthony...but only in more tries. More money is a relative thing, too.

NOTE: Barry Bonds has more home runs than both Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. That might be an unfair comparison (given the steroid crap), but I'm sure you can get me real point (which has nothing whatsoever to do with steroids). The "most" doesn't equal the best.

Also, many of the bowlers I listed never got a chance to bowl in the PBA.

And, Chitown...Just because Walter always beats Weber doesn't take away from the fact that Weber has the best GAME. Winning can have nothing to do with true, pure, physical ability. Walter has a mental advantage over Weber these days.


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Re: williams., jr. beats weber......again
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2007, 10:54:21 PM »
there is no asterik in the pba record book about how many tournaments someone bowled compared to how many they won. pete rose ended up with more hits than ty cobb but he also had more at bats-----there's no mention of this in the major league baseball record book.

you're not going to be able to convince me that pete weber has a better game than walter ray williams, jr. a better game would imply better at all aspects of bowling. when it comes to spare shooting walter ray williams, jr. is the best. every year his spare making percentage is the highest. most years pete weber is not in the top 10. most years on tour walter ray williams, jr., has a higher average for the season. if "the shot" is right of the 4th arrow walter ray williams, jr., is better. especially if the shot is right of the 2nd arrow. if "the shot" is left of the 4th arrow pete weber would be the better player. other aspects of bowling like lofting, speed control, and accuracy, walter ray comes out ahead. pete weber excels in the use of axis rotation-----he's better at manipulating his axis rotation from 45 degrees and beyond. walter ray is better below 45 degrees. both players are mentally tough but when they're against each other pete weber has a complex and it isn't good. there's no doubt they're both great players but walter ray has 42 titles----and that's more than anybody else.....including pete weber.