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Ogre
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
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Using state of the are coverstock technology and the newly designed OGRE core, this ball is a must have for nearly all bowling styles.

    The OGRE solid utilizes our newly designed Eradicator coverstock; a strong solid reactive shell that cuts through the oil, and handles carrydown extremely well.  While the coverstock is designed for medium to heavier house shots, it is very user friendly and can be easily adjusted to cover a wide range of oil patterns.

    The OGRE is powered by a symmetrical, dual density core design without a wrap.  This allows for a thicker, more uniform coverstock for extra resilience and energy at impact with the pins.  The dense flip cap helps create a strong move at it''s breakpoint, while the body of the core helps to provide a consistent reaction without the typical over/under you see from many reactives.  In addition, this core allows for minor mistakes in hand position, without suffering the consequences.




      The OGRE core is the final modification of the design used in the Centaur/AMB/Immortal lines.  Anyone who''s thrown the Green/Blue Centaur and any of the AMBs or Immortals would have experienced first hand the tremendous differences created by the placement and densities of the various caps.  The single flip cap design produces more flare than the Green/Blue Centaur but less than the Immortals and AMBs.

Finish:  600 Matte
Hardness:  75-77
RG:  Low (2.59")
Flare:  Med/Low (.029" differential)  3-5" flare  
Avail. Wts:  13-16# (OGRE core)
10-12# (on request - light wt. core)
Lane Conditions:  Med-Med/Heavy Oil
Color:  Orange/Black  
Coverstock:  Eradicator - Reactive Solid

 

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Re: Ogre
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 03:29:35 PM »
first i want to say thanks to betsy at visionary for getting me the multiple balls quickly.
i drilled up the ogre first: 15lbs 3-4 pin 3.17 top. drilled with pin above center of bridge, cg in center of grip. mb 90* from thumb. no weight hole needed.
took surface of ball up with brunswick rough buff.
started out on fresh oil ths. heavy oil from 15-15 slightly lower units from 15-5 and buff from 5 to gutter.
started standing 25 with left foot  sent ball across 20 to 5 and left turn to the pocket.
the ball was much stronger than i had thought it would be. i threw multiple shots with different hand positions but the ball had a very strong move left at the break point. i used this ball in league and it handed the carry down with ease. this ball will be the first out of my bag from now on.

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Re: Ogre
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 09:13:55 AM »
Well, this was the ball that got me into the Visionary realm. Wanted to try something new and this ball, with its low diff., intrigued me.

Ordered up from buddies pro shop. 15.2# 3"pin and 2.5 oz of tw.

Wanted a strong, but controllable drill. Wound up drilling it pin right and below ring, cg in palm.

Immediately after drilling, I put it on the resurface machine and took it to 2000 abralon. The 600 grit oob would have been way too much for my house.

Got the ball and took it to the lanes for league. Late league, left over shot from open bowling. Spotty medium heads with carrydown.

Got lined up playing over 12 at the arrows out to 8. Ball had a nice, smooth move to the pocket. Read the mids niceley and made a strong but smooth turn on the backend. I assume that the carrydown tamed the reaction somewhat. Very nice and controlled reaction on this pattern. As the night went on and more carrydown became present, I started ringing corners. So, a small hand position change and the ball was right back in the pocket.

Got to try it again the following week on a pair that hadn't been used. Medium oil, fresh backends. Again, the ball revved up in the mids, but due to the clean backends it moved a bit stronger on the backend. It wasn't uncontrollable by any means, but definitely stronger off the dry. Again, either moving in deeper, changing hand positions, or a combination of both helped get the ball to the pocket.

So, currently, I have 10 games on the ball and am very impressed with it. Even at 2000 abralon, it is quite a bit of ball. OOB could definitely handle med/hvy with no problem.

The roll on this ball is very true and controllable. It responds well to hand position changes very well too.

Hit is different than most other balls I've thrown. This ball just pushes everything straight back, literally. No messengers or anything of that sort. It just plows through the pins.

Overall, I think I got exactly what I wanted out of this ball. A great benchmark piece for med. conditions. This ball tells me where the oil is and where it is not. Very good experience for my first Visionary piece.

I'd have to give this one a 9/10.
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Re: Ogre
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2007, 05:53:44 PM »


The OGRE solid utilizes an newly designed coverstock
Which a symmetrical, dual density core design without a wrap
It’s interesting and easy to drill and set up.
The OGRE core is  an modification of the design used in the Centaur/AMB/Immortal lines.
The single flip cap design  produces more flare than the Green/Blue Centaur but less than the Immortals .

This is a good Ball to fill your Bowling equipment variation Zone.
The Orgy has a nice, smooth move to the pocket.
Reads the midline and make a strong but smooth turn on the backend.
 I shined the ball from box condition so it would retain more energy
From Finish: 600 Matte to 1500,

This ball is clean thru the heads  with a earlier read then the Immortals
As a Mid- lane reader this  ball was much stronger than I had thought it would be.
 I tried the Orgy  in multiple houses and  different  lane Conditions still  the ball had Positive movements
Impact is  resilience leaving  much needed energy for impact with the pins.
Because it a middle condition ball it may not be suitable for heavy oiled lanes

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Re: Ogre
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2007, 05:42:15 PM »
I drilled the ball to be aggrissive even though the ball is meant for medium i found it hooks very early and it reads the midlane well and has a continuous hook into the pocket i normally put the ball at 10 it tended to leave to many 10 pins though
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Re: Ogre
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2007, 02:23:16 AM »
My specs:
Left handed, ball speed around 16 MPH, rev rate around 300 RPM, axis rotation of around 60 degrees, and axis tilt around 30 degrees.

Visionary is a company I’ve been keeping my eye on for a while, so I thought I would give them a try.  I’ve heard good things about the durability of their coverstocks, and I like their core designs that don’t utilize a wrap.  I decided to try the Ogre Solid first.  Drilled it up with a 4.5” axis-to-pin distance with the CG stacked.  I put the pin very high, about an inch off the vertical axis line.  I’ve used this pattern before, and it usually gives me good length with a very defined move on the back end.  The “maiden voyage” was in a PBA Experience league on the Viper pattern.  The first three games out of the box were 224, 235, and 227 for a very nice 686.  This is in a house where I averaged 218 on the house shot.  This ball draws attention to itself before you ever throw it.  The color alone was drawing people over to look at it as soon as I put it on the rack.  It drew even more attention its first trip down the lane.  A little 10 to 8 shot, good length, and a nice controllable arc at the finish.  Pins stayed very low, 10 in the pit.  Shot after shot was the same thing.  An occasional corner pin stood, but a very consistent roll and reaction.  As the night went on I got a little carry down, but by the third game the only adjustment was to go straight up 8.  Overall impression was that this would make an excellent “benchmark” and “keep it in play” ball.  This instantly became my first ball out of the bag.  For me, it seems to work better playing straighter to the break point, without giving too much of the pocket away.  There is not enough differential to be a “coast to coast” ball unless you’ve got a lot more hand than me.  It reacts very consistently and smoothly.  Some people would say that this is not very exciting.  I guess that’s true, unless you consider living in the pocket exciting.  When you can throw game after game and not remember the last time you missed the pocket, I’ll take that over an eye-popping back end every time.  All in all, I’m extremely pleased with the ball and can’t wait to try another one of Visionary’s products.


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Re: Ogre
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2007, 06:23:03 AM »
Layout: 4 1/2 X 4 1/4
Pin distance: 3-4, top weight 3.5 ounces
surface at 4000 abralon, then at 2000 abralon
Style: High rev rate
Ball Speed: 18 to 19 mph, per Qubica



The Pin ended up over my ring finger and the cg stacked and a little right. I was using this as my first ball out of the bag on a medium heavy THS.  The higher RG allowed the ball to get through the heads easily but still have a lot of pop at the pins.  I had the ball at 4000 abralon, but it was to snappy of the end of the pattern, changed cover to 2000 abralon to read sooner.  For me this works out to be a solid medium heavy oil ball that still retains a lot of hitting power.  I have thought about taking this back to 4000 abralon and adding polish to have a great skid snap ball, but I will need to get another solid and probably drill it pin down.  I now have no fear of the ball reading to early with the pin down due to the RG.

So far I am playing the same area of the lanes as others are with Schorchin Inferno's and doing so at a much more bowler friendly price.  The diff is rather low but this does keep the ball predictible and easy to read, I can increase my revs and move inside of 4th arrow with this ball and I still have great recovery.  I have yet to find a down side for this ball, other than it shows dirt due to the bright color, but I clean the ball as soon as I am done any ways.

I am very pleased with this ball, it gets easily through the heads and has a great turn to the pocket in medium heavy oil that in the past only came from high end bowling balls for me.

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Re: Ogre
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2007, 05:27:21 PM »
Finally got a chance to try this ball in league play. Oil machine malfunction, lots of oil all over the lane. 229 high game playing strait up the boards at the 10. Great ball in the oil. OOB finish, have to try change to cover to see what happens.
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Re: Ogre
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2007, 05:12:03 PM »
alright fellow bowlers, you would think a ball such as this would be great on the heavy oil and completely can itself when the cover is changed. i have 2 of these great rolling machines, one out of box finish and 1 with a high polish. the house pattern i see is a perfect medium match for the polished Ogre.

pin location: below the ring finger and 1" right
CG location: stacked but slightly into the palm
lets not forget my PAP is 6" right of the center of grip
no weight hole

totally loving the polished Ogre when the lanes are drying up. i can play this ball 10 to 5 and without a second look, it smashes the pocket. as most of my Visionary balls do, the pins all stay low to the deck giving me extra carry. for those looking for a great ball no matter what condition you see on the lanes, the Ogre should be in the top 3 of your choices. with tug room and push room, miss-hit releases don't tend to hurt me much. most shots that i miss my mark by a board or two tend to carry 10, great for those nights when you want to show off by spanking some butt with your score!
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Re: Ogre
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2008, 12:30:49 PM »
Visionary isn't a formilliar company in The netherlands and I like to try something new/different. I bought the ogre to be my 'early rolling ball'.

I was afraid this ball would roll too soon with it's 600 gritt, so i decided to give it a long and not that strong drilling.

Player:
*23-24 km/h (about 15 mph)
*normal revs
*medium tilt

Ball:
*14 pounds
*3-4"pin
*3 ounce topweight

The pin it about an inch over the bridge and the CG is directly below it. Guess this would make it a 5/5.5 inch pin-to-pap. No X-hole

Due to it's low differential in combination with this weak drilling, it doesn't flare much (about 1 inch). It doesnt read that much midlane, so i have to play straight lines with it. On a THS (40 feet) i'm able to play board 12-5, but on a flat pattern i really need to play tight.

It's strange to watch a 600 gritt ball getting much length and just starts to read when it hits the dry. Even with this drilling I expected an earlier read.

When the backends are really dry, this ball is wonderfull. It gets down the lane in a straight line and then flips hard. When there it some carrydown, this ball won't flip anymore. It gets a more angular reaction, wich makes it hit the pocket to far in the back - leaving 10 pins. Playing more tight is the solution.
The ball needs to hit some dry spots to react good. It has an over-under reaction, but im pretty sure its because of the way the ball was drilled.
I really do like the carry of this ball; it keeps the pins low. Most flat hits still fall, where most balls leave buckets.

It's a great ball for me, its just not the early roller/heavy oil ball i thought it would be.
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Re: Ogre
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2008, 07:15:49 PM »
Lane Conditions: Heavy Oil
Typical Conditions: Variety of Shots
Type of Lane: Combination
What part of the lane did you play? Fourth Arrow
Did the ball track out? Normal
Weight of bowling ball: 15
Surface of bowling ball: Sanded
What grit was the surface of the ball? Grey Scotch Brite

Likes: Ogre Solid got into a roll very quickly and created a ton of friction to cut through the oilier lane conditions. Very strong motion snapping motion in the front part of the lane.

Dislikes: My Ogre Solid came out of the box looking like 320 grit, and it got way to much friction, I had to bring the surface up to 2000 and it preformed better. But the ball would burn up and loose its energy very quickly unless it was a flood.

Ogre Solid is good only in oil the ball creates a ton of friction in the front part of the lane. Polishing the Ogre Solid would help the ball get a little more length but it was still way to strong for anything other than a flood of oil. Speed dominate players will love this ball because it’s going to create as much friction as possible. Rev dominates and softer ball speeds will general not care for this ball because of the amount of friction it does create.

Weight: 15.2
Top: 2.5
Pin: 2 1/2”
Layout: 3 3/8 X 4
Side Weight: 3/4 Ounce Positive (No Weight Hole)

Comparing to what’s in my bag:

Black Widow Bite - 3 3/8 X 4 – 2000 Abralon
Ogre Solid gets into a roll much faster than the Black Widow Bite, and is as sharp at the break point. But the Black Widow Bite still ended up covering a few more boards even in the really heavy lane conditions.

Ogre Pearl - 3 3/4 X 3 3/4 – Box Finish
Ogre Solid rolls a lot earlier that the Ogre Pearl even if you apply polish to it. Overall it will cover about 8-10 boards more when the lanes are fresh, but as they break down the Ogre Solid will start to burn up its energy. Switching to the Ogre Pearl will get you that extra length and finish making it a great ball change as the lanes break down.


 
 

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Re: Ogre
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2008, 03:35:59 AM »
My Stats:
Right Handed
Speed: 16-19 mph
Rev Rate Not sure

Bowling Ball Specs:
Weight: 16.00
Top Weight:3.04
Pin: 2-3
Layout of ball: Stacked Leverage
Surface of bowling ball: Box Finish (600 Matte)



Lane Conditions: House Shot
Type of Lane: Synthetics

Likes: Ball hits like a truck! I can move to different lines and performs well.

Dislikes: (Not the ball's fault) I can only use it for two games tops because of the amount of oil they are putting out this summer. Can't wait to use it in the winter!!

I really like this ball. Haven't played with the cover that much other then going from 600 matte, to 1000 matte and the ball wasn't moving like I enjoyed it at 600 so it went back.
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Re: Ogre
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 01:09:00 PM »
Wanted to get a solid, strong ball for oil and been wanting to try another Visionary ball which I haven't thrown one in a long time. Before I got it drilled I didn't think I'd care for the rough finish on it so left it as is for now and applied polish by hand to it. Whether it would make much difference I don't know, but I didn't want to apply too much to it for right now.
Most of my equipment is drilled for length, around 5" to the PAP with various CG/mass bias placements. My other strong ball is a No Mercy drilled 4" to the PAP stacked. I basically went with around that, having the ring finger left of the pin with the CG stacked. Couldn't make up my mind how I wanted it. Was going to have the CG towards the track but changed my mind last minute. Turns out I am glad I did.
The reaction at house 1 with dry heads, hang outside of 7 and carry down was interesting. Had to stand 30 then moved to 35 playing around the 3-4 arrow out to 10ish. The ball is very "rolly". Starts to make a minor move past the arrows and looks like it is just going to take off but it doesn't. Missed left and it went left. Missed a little right had some recovery to a point at least. It has a gradual soft arc too it. Nothing too crazy but the ball doesn't quit either on the back end. Carried well on lighter hits and kept the pins low.
League on a light oil/good back end I stood on 25 starting at 12-8, then 15/third arrow and then 17 third game. That would have been the max before I would have needed to move 5 boards left after that. Had some terrific hits including 3 messengers. The ball rolled well through the heads and and a predictable, continuous arch to it.
Comparing it to my Hammer No Mercy with a similar layout and that is 1000 Abarlon, the No Mercy gets better length with a stronger, sometimes less predictable movement at the break point. The Ogre hooks earlier, revs up much easier and has about 3-5 boards less hook. Overall a terrific ball. I can't wait to try it on a particular heavier PBA or heavier oil house shot too see if I can try play a little straighter.

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Re: Ogre
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2008, 07:25:24 PM »
This ball i decided to use a 5X3 layout, surface was kept at OOB. I drilled this ball up specifically for tournaments where PBA patterns were being used. The drill was to get the ball through the front part of the lane due to the fact that i would almost always be bowling on second shifts due to my schedule but be able to handle carrydown with the surface. This ball worked perfectly, the ball made me over $750 within the first three months of getting it. I even found that this ball works exceptionally well on even the cheetah pattern to help me even out the overreaction.
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Re: Ogre
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2008, 10:18:26 PM »
Hello Visionary fans.

Old wood lanes with typical heavier oil in center with hooking track area. Was amazed how many boards I was able to cover with the OOB surface. Keep in mind I have slower speed with medium revs and would say my "A" game is playing fairly straight 15 to 10. With this piece was able to play 18-19 board to 6-7. Now I did not carry every shot from that angle but was able to play that area out the gate longer than most players with minimal moving. The ball did not care about the carry down. What a bonus!!

Also rolled on synthetics. Very interesting for my game. The lanes played the way I like them out the gate around that 15-10 zone with my feet at 22 board. After 3 games the lanes got ugly. Burn up early, put some speed in the same zone and the ball was then weak on the backs due to break point carry down. Tried my new GLADIATOR SOLID and this piece did not like the angles (over/under) with the OOB surface. OK went back to the OGRE and took a little off the speed, moved feet to 32 and target at 22-23 board and it just opened up the whole lane. Even oops a couple releases from my target to about 7 board and the OGRE still reacted to the pocket. WOW just added another dimension to my game when needed!!

Overall a nice adder to my arsenal at a great price. Very versatile and the cover stock is very durable. A must have for any bowler wanting a smooth but yet strong controllable reaction!!!

Ball specs: 3" pin, 3 oz top
Drill specs: Pin 3-3/8" from PAP with weight hole, 3/4" side weight.

My specs: Stroker/Tweener, Right Handed

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